EVE General Discussion

If "FC A" contacts "FC B" and convinces him that he isn't "FC A" but rather "FC C"; a friend, and convinces "FC B" to move his fleet to 'System X' for a goodfight, only to drop his fleet on them and kill them can "FC B" now petition this?

If yes, please fix.

Yes, FC A will be FC BANNED.

It's always been this way, everyone knows that. You can't pretend to be anyone. They made it real obvious in the ToS and errything!

Hi. I don't log in to this game much these days. However, hearing about this absolutely asinine set of changes has compelled me to make my first forum post in a long, long time.

You guys need to get your heads examined. I think what Sabriz said above is pretty much what you should do, but I don't think the name banning in #1 makes sense. Since I started playing this game, which was a long time ago, it has been an obvious piece of advice to new players that EVE is a wretched hive of scum and villainy and as a result, you had better triple check the facts before you do a business deal. I have the sneaking suspicion this is your first volley in making EVE friendlier to the new player and eliminating scams altogether. I'm sorry, but that is not what EVE is about, and in a lot of ways I think that the EVE scamming environment attracts more people than it turns off.

I know that GMs deal with an inordinate amount of complaints from people who have been scammed, and with the increasing prevalence of PLEX transactions in today's EVE a scam represents real money, sometimes quite a lot of it. If your goal is to reduce complaints, put a fat disclaimer somewhere and remind people of the way the world operates. While you're at it, you may want to tell them they might get mugged at night if they walk into a dark alleyway, and the police might not be standing outside to save them. You might want to mention to them that they shouldn't invest their life savings in that hedge fund, and that those advertised products on TV don't always make your wife happy. Point them to the disclaimer when they file a GM ticket. Hell, use my language verbatim, I don't care.

EVE has come a long way towards improving player confidence and making a lot of exceptionally positive changes to the game over the past few years. Please don't turn around and go the other way.

If you really want to increase veracity in transactions, how about you implement some kind of quick "certificate auth" system, allowing people to do that the right way and validate a user based on something they know? Allow CEOs to generate "corporate certificates" and hand them out to players, then view that through the system, and allow players to send certificates to their alts etc via email. The best part about this, it preserves scamming and opens up a whole new avenue to do so while still fulfilling your goals (think of the in-game hilarity when someone's alt with Director rights gets the ability to generate a certificate and wreak even more havoc). You don't even have to write new code for this, just put a fancy wrapper around OpenSSL, which you already have in both client and server, and you can reuse the existing code for the slightly useless Player Certificates system for learning skills, which has a fairly similar interface to what i'm describing.

Or, y'know, just don't do this, because it's stupid.

I feel this is a good change and I hope CCP continues to improve the experiences of both new and older players by continuing along this line.

I think scammers represent a very small % of the player base, the majority of them are absolutely annoying (just go to Jita for a minute or two) but I imagine they have a significant impact on both old and new players retention rate, especially the new players scammed out of ISK and deciding to leave rather than stay around.

Just go watch Star Citizen advert on Youtube and its easy to imagine that new subscribers would choose that over EvE if they heard about the things rich veteran players get away with doing to newer players here in EvE. I wouldn't come here if I had to start again and had to risk everything being scammed, blown up in a suicide attack or the many other ways that veteran players discourage new players from continuing to subscribe.

I say bad freak luck to the veteran whiners in this thread, if you want to hurt people in game, put some guns on a ship and attack them (not safely by suiciding) but go out to null sec, low sec or wh space and attack them.

Ominaeon and Infinity Ziona get the "Best satire on page 64" award. Everyone cheer!

Posting in a thread that wont change anything as the CCP GM and Legal team have already made their mind up and I haven't seen them listen to the players once yet.

Scamming is actually one of the great levellers between old and new players; few scams require much in the way of skillpoints, and many don't take much ISK either.

Like most such attempts to obtain special treatment by arbitrary interdiction of player interaction, this change favours the rich players at the expense of the poor.

I would thumbs up if I thought Ziona was kidding. But, I have seen her say some really dumb stuff, so I am not sure she isn't serious.

The other guy? That was classic. I was just about to jump down his throat when I noticed Malcanis' reply and gave it a more thorough look. But then, it might have been that I have been awake all night.

Oh, and to stay on topic, this is a bad change. Revert immediately until more clear language can be arranged for at the local community college.

Poe's law, man, it's a helluva thing,

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alexander_Noir

TL;DR - Impersonation is an integral part of the Gallente/Caldari conflict in game. I guess they'll have to kiss and make up now, though, as it's against the rules.