EVE General Discussion

Also I'm reporting myself--er, Fix Lag--as of now for character impersonation. And stealing ISK based on impersonation, because I gave him like 1M ISK on the premise that he was in fact myself and clearly characters can't be the same person in this game because you just said so, GM Karidor.

Except that Phill never claimed to be anything he wasn't. Phill didn't claim to be the character Abdiel Kavash, he claimed to be an alt of Abdiel Kavash - which he was. At no point Phill told a lie. Does "impersonation" cover "truthfully stating the nature of a character"?

Thanks for the communication, I never actually expected a GM reply.

If by "always has" when referring to the use in chats you mean "since this week" then yes, that's entirely true that you cannot claim to be someone else.

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Mama bear CCP has to protect baby carebear though I guess. If more policies like this that interrupt the sandbox in an attempt to make the game more forgiving are implemented, you can kiss my subscirptions goodbye.

ACCORDING TO SENIOR GM KARIDOR IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT SO THEREFORE IT MUST BE A BANNABLE OFFENSE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN EVEN THOUGH IT NEVER WAS UP UNTIL THIS WEEK

but he never lied, he just scammed someone. the statement he was his alt was true. he never misrepresented himself he just decided to scam someone. if this is the GM's stance then Chribba cant do any business on any of his alts right? because he is impersonating himself to gain their trust. WHAT IF HE DECIDES TO SCAM SOMEONE?!?1? this is why LEGAL AND BINDING CONTRACTS SHOULD NOT BE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

Since it has probably faded into the background by now I would once again like to bring up the rental example and ask for clarification.

since rental programs are run by alts of players in the owner alliance, would a vengeful person who is denied or kicked out have a case against the people running the alliance, since at some point they most likely will speak on behalf of their other characters? This concerns me the most as it will be the closest to malicious scamming. It will be nearly impossible to ascertain original intent and since they will be using the good name of their recruiting mains they have opened themselves up to all kinds of liability in cases like this. If they are not in danger please use the same clear and coordinated dialogue to let us know just how such cases would be separated and clarified.

GM Karidor, are you simply relaying the party line to us, or are you setting the party line?

Why would you even bother with the alt in that situation? You can just do whatever you need to do with Abdiel Kavash then. The character Phil technically still impersonates Abdiel.

First brutally honest feedback. I'll word it as politely as possible without sacrificing honesty.

This is the biggest knife in the heart of EVE's gameplay and culture of 'spies and deception are everywhere' since the Incarna debacle. I have no confidence in the ability of the people behind this change to understand EVE, let alone implement reasonable policies or rules.

It appears that any deceptive behaviour at all that involves a declaration that "X is my alt" or "I am working in conjunction with X" is against the rules, and by extension, and outsourcing of core activities of a corporation, alliance or 'entity' now has CCP enforcing the honesty of such dealings.

For instance, under the new rules Goonswarm Federation retain the CCP endorsed right to scam people interested in renting space from them. However, in the unlikely situation that Goonswarm were to appoint me (a non-member of the alliance) as a third party to act on their behalf in rental deals, I would not be allowed to scam and and deliberate scamming by me of renters would be an account-ban offence. (A similar situation would occur if I were to collude with a 'renter' that intended to not pay but instead use their 'rented space' as a staging ground to attack GSF interests).

Particularly relevant to sovereign nullsec is that one of the major vectors for inserting spies into hostile entities, applying to multiple corps saying "I am XYZ's alt", fishing for one that is not vigilant enough to API verify this information, is no longer legal.

What you should be doing is the following:

- Ban names that are deceptively close to existing character, corporation or alliance names. GM discretion applies when it's unclear (Currln Trading is clearly deceptively close to Currin Trading; while 'Avengers of the South' would not be deceptively close to 'Southern Avengers')
- Ban deceptive conduct carried out on CCP hosted websites other than the official EVE forums
- Change the font so that capital 'o' and 'zero' look more different ingame than the presently do. Likewise for capital 'i' and lower case 'l'.
- Remove all reference to 'entities'. The game client recognises corporations and alliances. It doesn't recognise coalitions, the New Order or other such 'entities'.
- Explicitly allow players to lie about their affiliation to in-game corporations and alliances and to other characters, as long as they do not do so in ways that 'trick' the in-game methods for checking this information. Disallowed would be misuse of CCP websites and any form of API falsification. (Providing information and saying 'this is what my API says' should be fine; altering what the API actually says should be a banhammer).