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Whatever happened to the new Bounty System?
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Ajion
Duelism
#41 - 2011-11-06 15:11:10 UTC
Still waiting on CCP's ETA for a New Bounty System.
Selinate
#42 - 2011-11-06 16:02:10 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Loop holes are probably the biggest hurdle for the development team they do not want ot create a system where payouts are advantable by the bountied victim.



I'm not sure they could make it much worse than it already is as far as this goes....
Ajion
Duelism
#43 - 2011-11-06 16:38:57 UTC
They are making it worse, by simply ignoring this issue. I fully expect them to deliver the change next summer. Forget Winter, winter is just a GFX update and ships stats changes. Their real deliverance will be in the summer.
Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
#44 - 2011-11-06 19:17:54 UTC
Ajion wrote:
They are making it worse, by simply ignoring this issue. I fully expect them to deliver the change next summer. Forget Winter, winter is just a GFX update and ships stats changes. Their real deliverance will be in the summer.


I, too, would like to see a usable bounty system, or the current one removed. Then I wouldn't have to have anything tied up in bounties. Only doing that now because there's nothing else the bounty system in its current incarnation is good for.

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Ajion
Duelism
#45 - 2011-11-06 19:47:06 UTC
Selene D'Celeste wrote:

I, too, would like to see a usable bounty system, or the current one removed. Then I wouldn't have to have anything tied up in bounties. Only doing that now because there's nothing else the bounty system in its current incarnation is good for.


We must be patient and loud enough so that CCP hears us!
Ajion
Duelism
#46 - 2011-11-19 15:49:33 UTC
Winter expansion is looking really good and more things are to come. However, never forget, that bounty system is still very much DEAD!

CCP Think summer expansion and Bounty System = WIN!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#47 - 2011-11-19 16:56:58 UTC
Its human nature, not a flaw of any mechanic. As long as there are alternate accounts in eve there will be no bounty system that can possibly "work as intended".

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ajion
Duelism
#48 - 2011-11-20 00:36:43 UTC
There is always a way man, you have just got to think a little harder, and have the will to implement it,
Elrich Kouvo
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-11-22 06:53:12 UTC
CCP is affraid that if they reward bounty hunters, there will never be any piracy going on. Therefore they need to fix piracy first. Since pirates don't earn any isk from their kills, they won't be able to make any isk from their labor to replace ships and stuff. CCP needs to put value into piracy to make it profitable(more theft not murder). Then CCP can use any of the many fine ideas that so many players have been offering to fix the bounty hunter problem. i would suggest something that drops from ships/pods that would be highly valuable to pirate factions or any faction, and let the pirate turn it in to get some isk.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#50 - 2011-11-22 07:08:47 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Those must be some really stupid pilots. I'd just kill myself with an alt and keep the whole bounty.


Which is why the entire bounty system is inherently flawed.

Problem is, the matter is equally inherently unsolvable. There's no way CCP could prevent you from having an alt kill yourself; and even if they could, you can always have a corp member do it, and split the isk.


orly? I think it's quite solvable, actually:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=345394

The important elements are
(1) To link bounty contracts with killrights
(2) To restrict who is able to accept a specific bounty contract
(3) To limit individual bounty payouts to less than the irreduceable loss suffered by the perp





"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#51 - 2011-11-22 07:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Elrich Kouvo wrote:
CCP is affraid that if they reward bounty hunters, there will never be any piracy going on...


Bollocks. Seriously.

CCP is "afraid" of no such thing. The only thing that CCP is "afraid" of is dealing with the horribly tangled logic that constitutes the "crimewatch" system that looks after sec status, CONCORD and hi-sec aggression rules. Which has left us with a system that condemns my ship to be CONCORDED for ECM-bursting an empty disposable jet can, but I merely get a 15 minute aggro timer for stealing everything in it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#52 - 2011-11-22 07:30:44 UTC
Quote:
Current Bounty Hunting system does equate to excellence - it indicates mediocrity.

"mediocrity" would generally indicate that the system works to some degree, which it does not. The bounty system needs to be a pool which is drawn from a smallish (like 20-40%) portion of destroyed asset value (ships, mods, implants, etc). While one could still destroy their own pod/ships from an alt to collect the bounty themselves, this would still result in them taking a 60-80% loss overall.
Ajion
Duelism
#53 - 2011-11-27 00:34:40 UTC
Keeping the drum of reason loud! We want a better bounty hunting system!
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#54 - 2011-11-27 03:26:09 UTC
Simple answer, some fuckin thingy you poop outa came up with the word "soon" since then, nothing ever got done, it was just slated to get done soon.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-11-27 05:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Malcanis wrote:

(2) To restrict who is able to accept a specific bounty contract


FFS Malcanis, how can you make such a dumb statement. You're probably one of the few people in this thread who could figure out who my main is.

How in f***s name are you going to stop my ratting alt with a +5 sec status from accepting the bounty on my pirate alt account.Your proposals, while better than a hell of a lot I've read, still don't address this problem - they just try to make it less likely, with the trade off of limiting who can accept the bounty contract - which means that its less likely that anyone will accept the contract.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#56 - 2011-11-27 05:43:02 UTC
see below ;)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#57 - 2011-11-27 06:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Selinate wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Loop holes are probably the biggest hurdle for the development team they do not want ot create a system where payouts are advantable by the bountied victim.



I'm not sure they could make it much worse than it already is as far as this goes....


Trust me Ive hanged out long enough in FnI to the point I managed to exploit enough of the new suggest bounty systems and other similar ideas that made people feel really stupid about thier own ideas as they be used as tools agaisnt the very thing they're suggesting against.

Bounty by ship type/value kill is by far the best comprimise.

Why is it a comprimise?

Becuase killing a frigate isnt going to be worth the suicde and the payout. and it may take years to fully pay out some of the most bountied people in Eve in the same manner.

What is worse than giving the bountied person money you ask? The suggested immunity (or a collection shield) being granted to the one bountied I've been seeing pop up here and there every often.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#58 - 2011-11-27 09:30:06 UTC
Ajion wrote:
If i recall correctly from Alliance Tournament 9, during live video breaks, there ran a short clip telling us of a new Bounty Hunting system that is coming soon.

Is that in the pipeline for the Winter Expansion?

Or do we have to rely on this:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1502656

http://eve-bigshot.com/?site=home

I love how our community is able to come up with the ways to fix the problem, and yet CCP is still in drawing boards?

Can i get a hint when or if that is going to happen this Winter or do we have to wait till Dust514?


You are so funny!

New good features based on old uncompleted content!! I am convulsing in laughter!

Bounty, on the shelf with all other abandoned content. I hear the new bounty system works by finding a bounty agent and walking to his office in a station.... Dooh!

Well, good luck with that.

Issler
Ajion
Duelism
#59 - 2011-11-27 16:52:06 UTC
Oh come on - me being funny ;) - is the last thing this forum ever gets, mostly it is just bitching.
Main point here, however is that the current Bounty System is a dead cow, and those that defend it are the flies and the lice. Those that want something better are the very courage the CCP was all about, and hopeful is still.
Ajion
Duelism
#60 - 2011-12-04 04:12:52 UTC
Thank you CCP, good start on the winter expansion, can;t wait for the Assault Frigate changes.. but but but .. Bounty Hunting mechanism is still broken ;p