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Why are people such risk averse pansies when it comes to fleeting with neutrals?
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#41 - 2013-09-10 23:08:28 UTC
As one of the guys who sets standings for my corporation I can tell you very heartilly that if someone is red and asks to join your fleet, then you should probably understand that there is a -reason he is red-.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-09-10 23:16:19 UTC
Lets refer back two posts for some context

Christopher AET wrote:
This guy is primary.......I don't see him on overview....here broadcast...he is blue....no I see him...how do I drake?

No thanks


wowyouareacow wrote:
Georgina Parmala wrote:
wowyouareacow wrote:
Fleet members don't appear on most usual overview regardless of standings.
You should have a tab that shows all players too.


Yeah, because I'm going to switch to my special overview tab (logi) that DOES show blues... so I can shoot the blues the red guy in my fleet is broadcasting as primary Roll

You're a special kind of special.



And you're a ******* idiot. I never said ANYTHING about fleeting with reds to shoot blues (though that would be fun), I meant fleeting with neuts/reds to shoot OTHER neuts and reds, there's a difference.


Bold

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#43 - 2013-09-10 23:29:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
wowyouareacow wrote:
And reds are just set red by your corp/alliance leader in many cases. In reality you have no quarrel with them.

I'm a CEO. Our members do have a quarrel with them, because that's exactly what they signed up for. I will not have people's loyalty questioned by tolerating reds in our fleets. This is indeed a matter of NBSI principle. That doesn't mean you can't ever have a couple of neuts in the fleet, but without arranging proper standings first you simply cannot guarantee that no-one in your 100+ NBSI group will refrain from shooting them. It's messy and unnecassary.

I wish to stress that Blue status does not equal friendship or even respect, they merely represent the rules of engagement as set forth by the entity you explicitly opted into yourself. Standings make PVP relevant, they create the context for meaningfull conflict between larger entities. If being a part of larger engagements is what a person desires, he should have no personal issues adhering to the standings that create the context for these engagements in the first place. Red spike, oh noes!!! Big smile

I resent the idea that keeping to (NBSI) Alliance standings is a dumb herd mentality. It isn't about risk aversion, it isn't about blind (mis)trust or the comfort of being told who to shoot. It's a small piece of personal authority you exchange for other options, such as getting on more organized fleets with actual objectives you can benefit from as an individual. It's a small sacrifice to make larger scale PVP a lot more manageable and fun. In the end, players control what they opt into themselves anyway.
Jim Era
#44 - 2013-09-10 23:53:52 UTC
This game is multiplayer??!!??
Noone ever told me.

Wat™
wowyouareacow
NANA221 Corporation
#45 - 2013-09-10 23:58:43 UTC
You should have a tab that shows all players incase someone awoxes you.
Also, it's very valuable in determining how many people you have on your side left in the fight.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#46 - 2013-09-11 02:48:31 UTC
wowyouareacow wrote:
Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?

I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.

Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.

Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.



I wouldn't fleet my mother, Or my wife I'd freaking pod her first just to make sure she was no threat. Better safe than sorry is the saying.

Blue
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#47 - 2013-09-11 03:01:27 UTC
I'd fleet your mother.


















God help me....I couldn't help it.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-09-11 03:05:44 UTC
wowyouareacow wrote:
Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers

Troll or clueless?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2013-09-11 03:07:41 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
I'd fleet your mother.



God help me....I couldn't help it.

Its okay, I fleeted yours and had fun with her.
Shot lots of reds and talked afterwards.
You should really call her, she misses you.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#50 - 2013-09-11 11:47:30 UTC
Ah yes....memories. My mom and the fleet.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Turelus
Utassi Security
#51 - 2013-09-11 15:02:16 UTC
There are lots of neutrals in the fleets I am with... maybe you're in the wrong coalition? P

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-09-11 15:08:32 UTC
+1 Inxentas

Shouldn't really need explaining.

The number one reason so few people fleet up is because everyone is sitting around waiting for someone else to form, and hence FC, the fleet. Offer a fleet, and people will happily join. But very few people will form their own and put up an advert.

I suggest being active in the various chat channels. There is one for virtually every Eve activity. You are likely to find people there that are serious about working together rather than awoxing like you expect with local chat spam.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#53 - 2013-09-11 17:16:56 UTC
The form fleet/advertise tool is very limited though. Try it and you'll see.

Of course if it were more open, it would be gank city.

So this is yet another installment of why you can't have anything nice because people suck.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-09-11 17:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
once in 2012 in Delve i was sitting on 319- undock in my Thanatos. There was lots of blues/neutrals/reds around. Some people invited me to fleet. I accepted it (why not?). And then - my ship started to warp to somewhere. Shocked

Some funny guys from PL wanted to fleet-warp me out of undock Lol Guess what for they wanted to do it? Blink

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-09-11 17:45:13 UTC
*reads the thread title.

*looks at the original poster's name.

Okay...
Gorski Car
#56 - 2013-10-16 09:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorski Car
Oswald Bolke wrote:
BNI has tried this in the past....letting people like "Gorski Car" or "Firetruck Man" into our fleets

they either collect intel or awox..or both.

Never ends well for us


This never happend you scrublodyte. Stop being butthurt about having homosexual fantasies with me.

Collect this post
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-10-16 10:02:52 UTC
AHEM!

As a professional perma docker and ship spinner I feel I have the necessary qualifications to speak on this issue.
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Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Decian Cor
Stronghelm Corporation
Solyaris Chtonium
#58 - 2013-10-16 14:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Decian Cor
wowyouareacow wrote:
Are people really THIS afraid of awoxers that they'd literally just stay docked spinning their ship instead of letting reds and neutrals join them for small gang roams?

I can understand the reasoning behind a secret alliance op involving structures, but why on earth are people so scared to let strangers in their small gang pvp roams? If they awox, they know in future not to trust them so the damage is only limited.
Furthermore, you can even check their killboards to get a pretty good idea of whether they break fleet etiquette.

Seriously, if you OCCASIONALLY lose a ship to an awoxer who claimed to honor fleet agreements, who cares?
You can still afford 50 more.

Personally I think people are way too uptight about it.



While we are at it, why don't we just:

1. blue everybody so we can all get along and be safe and comfortable - (we don't like fights unless we are guaranteed a win!)

2. go on huge blobby roams through Null and look for the one or two neuts left in all of Sov space that didn't fleet/blue-up - (see #1)

3. complain about how we can't find anything to shoot at - (See GD)

4. wonder why we can't find anything to shoot at - (See GD)




OH....WAIT. nevermind.


EDIT: You need SOMETHING to shoot at. Don't try to make everybody be friends, or expect them to be.

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#59 - 2013-10-16 14:55:47 UTC
Switchblade Soliloquy Asheki wrote:
Why take the chance of being awoxed or blobbed when you don't have too. Besides, who would let a red into a fleet to begin with ?


bombers bar? NPSI

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Anslo
Scope Works
#60 - 2013-10-16 14:59:49 UTC
Trust is the most valuable commodity in Eve. Looks like you used it up since you made this thread. I never have problems fleeting with neuts vOv

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