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Removal of cloaks in Faction Warfare plexes
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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#41 - 2013-09-18 11:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Zappity wrote:



It makes a mockery of the whole 'consequences' thing that EVE is founded on. Current mechanics FAVOUR using a cloak or stabs in what is meant to be a PVP environment. This should not be the case.



confirming cloaks and stabs are PvE items. All the best mission fits have cloaks and stabs...

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#42 - 2013-09-18 11:05:42 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Zappity wrote:



It makes a mockery of the whole 'consequences' thing that EVE is founded on. Current mechanics FAVOUR using a cloak or stabs in what is meant to be a PVP environment. This should not be the case.



confirming cloaks and stabs are PvE items. All the best mission fits have cloaks and stabs...


What are you talking about? I never said they were PvE items, just that they are not PvP items.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#43 - 2013-09-18 11:27:54 UTC
The very reason a player would use cloaks or stabs is because they are in a PvP environment. It is perfectly possible, and even acceptable, to be in a PvP environment and not want to PvP. In fact the hunt, chase and evasion of actual combat is still PvP.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#44 - 2013-09-18 11:50:53 UTC
Zappity wrote:

However, I dislike the risk-averse and consequence-free thing that faction warfare butan orbiting has become. Most of the farmers I come across are noob alts of established characters.


Yes.

However FW plexes are designed just to allow people to pick-up their fight: you can know who is coming and decide if you want to engage or not. But this doesn't come from WCS or Cloack modules. FW plexes are designed so on purpose, to discourage blobs and improve 1vs1 or small gang fight. We can like or dislike this apporach, but works as intendeed

You can remove everything, people don't willing to engage (doesn't matter the reason) will not engage. Period.

The mistake was removing rats from plexes. Players can be stupids and keep yelling "less rats -> less pve -> more pvp" but for a game designer/DEV should be obvious as putting an in-game resource (plexes) and setting NO (zero, nada, nicht) requirement or filter to harvest this resource is not a good idea.

They should keep in mind this is EVE not WoT or Planetside 2
Irsam Samri
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-09-18 11:58:41 UTC
Cloaks aren't the problem. As a guy who ran 4 accounts and abused the mechanics to make isk even while being chased I think there should be a faster rollback on the timer. Its ridiculous, atm even if someone commits an hour to chasing me, I can still complete a Plex, due to the fact that it takes longer and more effort to find me than it does for me to warp to a random plex in the system, by the time they've found me I've chipped 2 mins off plex #7742. I've had people chase me over 100 jumps and still made decent isk at no risk
Irsam Samri
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-09-18 12:14:43 UTC
Balance timer rollbacks

So you can still use stabs or cloaks. You can still leave a plex without a complete rollback, but give the defender an advantage in the timer. Slow countdown to even when no one is at the button, and faster countdown to even when the defender is in the plex with no one willing the challenge.

The mechanics of the timer have nothing to do with it being a sandbox game. Its simply a bad mechanic.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#47 - 2013-09-18 13:33:10 UTC
I will repeat what I have said elsewhere: make NPCs too strong for stabbed/cloaked players in scrub frigs. If the possibility of dying is present from an NPC in each plex then it will encourage larger commitments.
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