EVE General Discussion

A miner who tanks their ships is a very rare thing alas. For example of the 600 exhumers we killed in the first caldari interdiction we fond not one of them had fitted a tank.

Going to have to confirm Baltec on both counts. I've ganked, and been involved with the ganks of ~100+ ships, and never fails, the people who get the bright idea to "pre-spawn" CONCORD never tank up.

I've also seen a few of our targets come back from their non-consensual vacations, screaming about how unfair it was that they were just "protecting themselves" with CONCORD and copped a suspension for it.

Sounds legit.

Ok I'll rephrase that, I'm not directly discussing forum moderation.

What I am doing is using previously moderated posts, and their unredacted versions, as examples to suggest that the pre spawning of Concord for protection has been deemed an exploit in the past.

Does that satisfy you?

I'm not going to reply to any more of your posts, it'll just turn into another pissing match. It's fairly obvious that you and I have some pretty significant differences of opinion on pretty much everything Eve related, and never the twain shall meet.

I believe your heart is in the right place, however, I do not believe your statement. When the company of a video game introduces advertisements going over the depth and complexity of the sandbox that is Eve and how anything can happen in the sandbox, the players of said video game have no excuse if they lose their ship in-game despite how they lost it.

Irritatingly it just gets me lots of times it was quoted. Is seems to be in reference to just the act of recycling alts.

All I can say is that what we have been told is that it is an exploit and we know that people have been banned for it. Unless CCP has had a change of heart in the last year and a half its still an exploit.

I don't spend much time in highsec, I'm not particularly risk averse, and you have no way of knowing whether or not a moderated post was flagged first. Further, the fact that nearly identical descriptions appear quite often without moderation would seem to invalidate you point. Good effort though I guess?



That would require both being in highsec and mining so you'll have to forgive me if I pass. CCP isn't shy about saying a well-known strategy is an exploit when they decide it's an exploit. The confusion you suffer is presumably due to mixing the activity with improper creation/deletion of the suicide character - which has been indicated as an exploit on numerous occasions.



http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=818978

I'm not going to pretend to know GM motivations, and we all know how levelhanded and perfectly fair they are in applying the ToS to edge cases...I'm just going off of what I've heard and been told, over the years.

The only difference I see between the two, is a miner uses a dedicated day one untrained alt to do it to protect the "main". Gankers, we use our actual gank char to do the prepping.

I've heard the miner targets swear up and down they were totally following the rules, and (ISD feel free to snip if this DOES break GM comm rules) the last time I petitioned the question, I got "That behaviour can be considered exploiting CONCORD mechanics."




Honestly though, it is a moot point. In every occasion I've seen with a pre-spawn, the miner was dead to the world AFK or a bot, so it was just a quick pull and gank. It's all a false sense of safety, which is the best sense for us miner-killers.

This topic is incredibly stale. The smell of mold emanating from this thread is overwhelming.

Hey, I resent that remark! I'm not disposable, I'm a valued member of this triad of chars, right along next to the cyno alt, and freight hauler!

Much as I hate to say it, I think the whole "Use CONCORD as a bodyguard" thing boils down to which GM you get, if it gets reported. Kind of sucks, as I personally hates when rules depend on the person reading them, but hey, I've got no reason to disbelieve you. I've seen bans, you've seen not-bans, should be something CCP sets some firm guides down on.


As you said, it doesn't give much more warning than a Dscan anyway, savvy gankers will remove them with minimal time between removal and fleet on target, savvy miners will be paying attention so they can GTFO if they see CONCORD leave.

And yes, not all miners are AFK, but there's plenty enough who are that allow us to snag kills. In the end, the New Order's prime goal is getting people to interact and play in a Massively Multiplayer Online Game, so if it takes CONCORD to keep you paying attention and situationally aware, go for it!