Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Maybe I read those stats wrong, but the Sac just beats out the Cerb. I like the new Sac, but I think the Cerb needs more love. I think the 10% missile velocity bonus should be 25% and the 10% missile flight time bonus should be 5% explosion radius. Also, get rid of the kinetic only damage type, but keep the assault launcher bonus.

The patch notes for those who might have missed them:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-odyssey-1.1

I think you've read the stats wrong. I'm struggling to get a useful fit out of the Sac. Slow, low DPS, poor tank... or have I read the stats all wrong?

Wait, I missed the drone bay, that helps a lot.

You can get like 1k dps on heat with cerb (kin damage ofc).

Sac isn't too strong, to begin with it had cap bonus which it no longer has, while other cruisers got their cap regen buffed sac hardly got enough base to replace the % bonus it had before.

That aside, doesn't cerb have a lot more range?
I don't know man, if anything I'd say new vaga is bad since it can hardly make use of its newly gained *super useful* shield boost bonus.

Sac is a brawler, Cerb is a kiter. Missile velocity bonus? Are you mad. it can already get out to 150km with Heavies and deal 600 dps at 40km with Hams. Anymore and it would be insanely overpowered.

cerb fills its role perfectly. extreme range, and enough speed to keep it.

Minmitar can to an extent. But Minmatar T2 ammo only has one major damage type. t1 ammo you are losing a lot of dps.hmm, almost like losing the Kin damage bonus. Gallente yes can vary up their damage to an extent but at a damage loss as gall drones are the most damaging.

The Caldari get more DPS than other missile ships in exchange for that damage specific bonus. If you lose the specific damage bonus you likely lose a launcher with it. (for reference see the Sacrilege)

Kinetic is also one of the two best overall damage types to deal for both missions and PvP. Only T2 Gallente ships are guaranteed to have high kinetic resist, everything else is likely to have it at a point where you're still best off with Kinetic as Caldari since resist specific hardeners tend to go toward Explosive and EM.

I think we've had this discussion before, but as I have repeatedly said, selectable damage makes no difference in 90% of cases for three reasons:

1. Everyone runs an omnitank - Its rare to see more than a 15% variation on resist types, even among most T2 ships
2. Reload Speed - The damage potential you lose while reloading to the correct damage type usually makes switching ammo mid fight a break even at best
3. Information Analysis - It is very difficult to determine which ammo is doing the most damage because there are so many other factors, especially on projectiles because the game doesnt tell you which type of ammo was loaded in the gun, so it isnt a matter of fire once and check your logs.

Also as a rebuttal of your "drone bay" argument for the gallente, on most gallente ships, drones are not a selectable damage type; theyre a set damage type. Most non-drone ships have only enough room for one type of drone, so for them the question simply becomes "do i want to do explosive damage or just more thermal"

It isnt the situation where you can see he's weak to something and put out the right type of drone.

i honestly wanna see the Cerberus go the way of its little brother the hawk.

Caldari Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage per level
5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Missile velocity per level
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount per level

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

All of the new HACs have have different fitting and fighting styles
Sac is good, Cerb is good