Intergalactic Summit

We are trained to protect State citizens against Federation oppression WHEREVER it occurs. Air, Land or Space. But you are right, if your world hadn't been transformed into an object lesson on the iniquities of democracy and all the abuses they entail it's likely we wouldn't even have noticed you.

After all, we're usually more concerned with the Black Rise region, where troops loyal to the Federation are comitting every single one of the atrocities you seem concerned we would visit upon YOUR population. Thankfully the Caldari know that vengeance is very bad for business.

You would have very little reason to fear Rendition, Murder by black bag squads, Torture, Theft of your home, forced relocation, imprisonment in 're-education centers' or that our ground forces would be placed into a state of hair-trigger agression by the administration of dangerous combat drugs. The things our own people have to deal with when their worlds are occupied by Federal troops.

Now how about you climb down off that pedestal you're using to look down on me? It's very wobbly and you're in danger of falling.

Are you serious? I've got the relevant documentation - it's available to any State Protectorate pilot. The FDU must have their own version available to THEIR pilots.

Are you seriously suggesting that the CEWPA legislation doesn't exist? Perhaps it's simply not commonly available to uninterested parties?

Sorry, even if it wasn't classified STPRO it would still be classified NOFORN.

Unfortunately I signed an oath not to disseminate classified information outside the proper channels. But really, every Empire in the Cluster signed it, doesn't one of them have precis or a declassified summary you can read?

Oniseki,

While I do not drink Quafe therefore do not have one handy to look at, the last I remember is all the ingredients barring water are secret. I'm more of a Starski drinker myself so I could care less what the rest of the universe is consuming but this is my understanding.

The Federation's Charter and Constitution are more Gallente creations I don't care for but I don't believe I've seen those either. Perhaps because I am actually an "uninterested party" in regards to it.

The Amarr Scriptures aren't my specialty. Perhaps you can ask Constantin but I hear he doesn't quote Scripture much so he might not be able to either.

Minmatar Tribal Chiefs is fairly easy though. My tribe is led by Wkumi Pol. My cousins tribe, the Sebiestor, haven't replaced Karin Midular yet. Vherokior have Isardsund Urbrald to lead them. The Starkmanir and Nefantar have not chosen a tribal chief since their liberation several years ago; perhaps due to them not being used to tribal culture anymore. The last time I flew under their banner, the Thukker Tribe were led by the secretive Elders. The Krusal Chief is also somewhat secretive or non-existent, I'm not really sure. Never had much interaction with the Krusal honestly. Their shamans and retinue are too numerous for me to count or list.

Anyways, no, not everything is available to the public. Such is life.

-Eran

You do realize that the identity of the death squads in Black Rise have never been confirmed right? The only identifying feature is Gallente equipment. Considering that "special" or independent groups often use equipment that doesn't necessarily match their country of origin, this is something difficult to go by.



That seems to be a lesson you only learned recently. If invading Luminaire for the sole purpose of taking Caldari Prime and threatening Gallente Prime with total annihilation isn't an act of vengeance then I have no idea what is.



Are you sure you're not describing yourself? The one good thing came out of your invasion of Luminaire is that we have a plethora of evidence showing how brutal you are. All the atrocities you listed were committed against Gallente Citizens on Caldari Prime and I can't seem to find anything that indicates Federal troops did similar things against your people on recently occupied worlds.

And even if everything you claim is correct, it's nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black.

No, it's because Tibus Heth was not interested in diplomatic negotiations after reclaiming Home, and for whatever reason, decided that taking the Gallente homeworld hostage was somehow a better long term solution.

At least they contain good examples within them - Heth's for seizing the initiative and making a solution possible and Yanala's for not following an illegal and immoral order.

Where are the good examples on the Gallente side of the line?

Amen.

I don't see why not. If I'm correct there haven't been any reports of these death squads for quite some time now. If the Federation was officially sanctioning these atrocities you can bet we would have the resources to commit them daily, but of course we won't because we aren't like that, as much as you would like to believe we are.



You committed a wrong doing in response to another wrong doing. That's vengeance, whether you want to admit it or not. And stop trying to sound like the victims here. Do you know what was the last act of Gallente aggression before the Battle of Caldari Prime? The Gallente-Caldari war, and even who was the aggressor in that war is something that can be heavily disputed. Everything else has been on you. I don't recall an Erebus moving into The Forge at any point do you?



And how did that work out for you?



I'm sure you didn't need to start a war in order for free Caldari to do that. The Federation has had an open border policy for it's entire existence. If a humble Caldari citizen truly felt the need to go to his people's homeworld they could of done so quite easily, it wouldn't even have to be a permanent stay, just a pilgrimage.

Now don't imply that we Gallenteans don't have a concept of laws and punishments for breaking them. We did execute a man on intergalactic holoprojectors by causing him to burst into flames mind you. Perhaps the Federal citizens on Caldari Prime would be more open to the occupation if your soldiers didn't muster them into ghettos, stop them from contacting each other, and shooting them dead in the street for something as innocent as trying to cross into another district.

So the Black Eagles, an organization who's sole purpose is to route out "traitors" within the Federation, is now operating against State citizens. Do you have any evidence for this claim whatsoever? I mean I think we can all agree that the Black Eagles are oppressive totalitarian asshats, but I'm pretty sure they're oppressing their own people, not others. Try again.

In regards to Caldari treatment on Caldari Prime, not only are your claims lacking evidence available to the general public, but they simply defy common sense. The Caldari and Gallente coexisted peacefully on Caldari Prime under Federal control for a full century before Heth showed up. Don't you think there would be even small moments of unrest if the situation you suggest was true? The Gallente rose up against Caldari occupation in just five years. I would imagine that the Caldari would of done something within a hundred years if the situation were as bad as you make it out to be.

Put it this way, the massive walls separating Caldari and Gallente on the planet were only erected when the State came back. That should tell you something.

And I'm not claiming superiority. I firmly believe that on a purely individual level, we are all equal in some way shape or form.

Tuulinen,

In response to your earlier comment about examples of Gallente morality I will say there are few. I've never been a fan of the Federation but I will say that one very noble thing it did recently was helping the Minmatar rebels gain freedom. Beyond that, you'd have to ask someone who actually cares to defend the Federations actions and morals as I do not; that is not my battle.

However, the reason I mentioned anything about morality certainly wasn't to say the Caldari are below anyone in that regard. Though if you feel it necessary to continue terrorizing people simply because you were once terrorized then you certainly aren't above anyone in that regard either.

-Eran