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Zappity's Adventures

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#41 - 2013-09-19 12:58:08 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I'm getting bored fighting lone T1 standard frigates. They either die very quickly or else I do (which admittedly can be interesting and is usually educational). But it is a very 'binary' experience.


Fighting outnumbered always makes things more fun :)

And the best way to do that is to seperate them in one way or another. And it seems like you learned alot about that in the slasher/rifter fight.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#42 - 2013-09-19 13:39:17 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
Sounds like you had fun, I'd like to come across this guy and test his Multi Frig setup ^_^


It was a pleasure bumping into you the other day.

You will know him if you see him. He appears to have an obsession with all things dental for some odd reason. And most unpleasant ship names and local chat. I was delighted to get one of the ships. I'm sure anyone competent would mince his setup.



Ah yes same too you, That guy that was chasing me chased me all the way back to my home system... Where I had a trap waiting for him.... He Insta Popped, I never even got on the Killmail :P

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#43 - 2013-09-19 22:14:35 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
Fighting outnumbered always makes things more fun :)

And the best way to do that is to seperate them in one way or another. And it seems like you learned alot about that in the slasher/rifter fight.


Yes, I sure did learn a lot. I think a faction frig will make it easier. You need to be able to capitalise on very short windows of 'gank opportunity' before they realise they are overextended so need to be able to pile it on asap. I'll keep trying - it's only ISK!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#44 - 2013-09-19 22:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
“1m for the pod!”, I cried. Yeah, I’m cheap. I am trying to establish a reputation for this thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3567170) and am offering pod ransoms for low, low prices. Get yours while they last!

After I had killed the E-UNI Rifter that was stuck on the Novice acceleration gate and snared his pod I politely suggested the above deal. No response. What is it with E-UNI people, are they not allowed to talk in local or something? Still no response, so I write “10s” in local and check the short-scan.

Now I am the first to admit that I had been neglecting d-scan during this fight, and whilst I gave it a cursory glance after catching the pod I didn’t really pay enough attention. At this point you will unsurprised to learn that a blob made an appearance on short-scan. This is what I did:

Video: http://youtu.be/l7V7dglRj78

That, people, is called ‘panic’. My thought process: check the wallet for iskies, nothing yet, check short-scan, oh bother there are some ships, I’d better get out of here, fumble with bookmarks for the safe (which wasn’t showing so why didn’t I just warp away to a random celestial?), FINALLY hit warp and align out, oops my afterburner is still on so this is taking ages, better kill that pod on the way out (haha!), caught, killed.

But at least I got my pod away. Unlike the unista and his 40m worth of implants.

And yes, that was why he didn’t respond in local. Too busy asking for help. Or perhaps there's a rule about that, too. Unfortunately a pod isn’t the most sustainable baiting ship! Nevertheless, props to Kwazar Olgidar for getting his revenge. GF and apologies for not posting same in local. I’m a bit new to this ransoming caper.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#45 - 2013-09-20 08:21:33 UTC
I actually think that they got rules against talking in local because they dont want it to cause trouble, but can't really remember.

A nice tip if you want to ransom is to convo the person and then roleplay as a pirate. It will reduce the chance of them throwing a tantrum since they will now view you as a pirate and not a griefer. This will ofc only work against ppl who aren't really used to pvp in this game.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#46 - 2013-09-20 21:13:02 UTC
Federation Navy Comet. Zaps is moving up in the world. Well, a little bit anyway.

Lowsec loss: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20598425

Video: http://youtu.be/biWpChVQsKE

This was my first spin in a Comet. And I like it. One thing I have learned is that the best way to get experience is to fight things (see my sig) so when I saw a red Thorax on a gate, why the hell not! It’s only ISK after all. Unless you run an evil RMT empire of course.

Well, because a light neutron-fit Thorax is not really a good choice for a frigate. He chomped on me pretty hard from the start despite his guns being unbonused. Still, he was in structure by the time I popped and I made some silly mistakes during the fight so I call that a win, Zappity style.

“Silly mistakes?”, I hear you ask? Well, yes. I should have orbited him with my afterburner on to decrease his tracking and drone damage instead of sitting there like a fool taking full damage. I should have also popped the Exile booster I had in my cargo hold. Perhaps that would have been enough - it was relatively close.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#47 - 2013-09-20 22:40:37 UTC
If I were you, I would probably switch one of the magstabs for an EANM. It will greatly increase the tank and the dps loss wouldn't really be that big since you have already stacking penalties (2 mods + rigs) on damage.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#48 - 2013-09-20 22:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Mizhir wrote:
If I were you, I would probably switch one of the magstabs for an EANM. It will greatly increase the tank and the loss wouldn't really be that big since you have already stacking penalties (2 mods + rigs) on damage.


Yes, I've changed my fit since. Two mag stabs on a frigate seems to be fail territory - not enough gank added for the tank sacrificed.

I tend to fly aggressively and like to maximise the damage I can apply in what is often a short window before more people arrive. But this fit wasn't worth it.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#49 - 2013-09-21 22:50:48 UTC
This is a lengthy post but I wanted to represent a fairly typical solo lowsec experience.

I undock from my Eszur home station in a blasty Incursus, warp to a safe in the middle of the system and check d-scan. A Stiletto and Venture show up but are not in any of the plexes or asteroid fields. Not much going on here so I check dotlan and set a waypoint to a hot system half a dozen jumps away. I warp to the gate but on the way a new pilot enters system, d-scan suggesting he is in a Breacher. The Stiletto is still on scan but the Venture has disappeared. Cancel that jump.

The Breacher is on the gate that I land at. I don’t know why he has lost his cloak but he doesn’t run away. In my experience frigates are unwise to aggress on a gate due to the insane tracking of the gate guns and since he is not criminal I don’t want to engage. I, on the other hand, do have criminal status. Still, the Breacher seems unwilling to pick a fight although he is clearly interested and is slowly approaching.

By this time I have looked him up - a 2010 player who almost certainly has better skills than me. But so does everyone so what the hell! I decide to tempt him a bit by doing a slow manual align then warp to the closest Novice plex. I adjust d-scan to 150,000,000 km and see that he has taken the bait (if you can call it that). But he has landed short of the gate and is about 20 km away. If he is fit with a long point and MWD I could be in trouble but I decide to go for him anyway.

Video: http://youtu.be/l5GiUYLTNsg

My overheated afterburner makes short work of the distance and I close on quickly, switching on the overheated scram, web and guns as soon as possible. I have good range control so I turn the heat off on everything except the guns as I start chipping away at his shield. His drones and rockets are hitting me hard but nothing my reps can’t take care of. And so he dies but gets his pod away.

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GFs in local (props to PlayerName by the way, and no that’s not a typo) before I head back to the station for repairs. Then I head towards my waypoint, checking each system as I go.

A few jumps out I find a Kestrel, Rifter and Slicer in the system. The Slicer and Kestrel and in the same plex so I leave them to it and warp to the Rifter. But the Kestrel has had the same idea and jumps into the plex just ahead of me. If they are in the same corp it will be difficult…

But the Rifter is a spineless farmer and warps away. Or, to be fair, maybe he just doesn't want to fight two frigates at once. I suppose that could be true. Regardless, that leaves me with the Kestrel. I lock him up, chase him down and start applying the deeps. And then after a while I remember I have a drone and set him free.

Whew, what a tank! I will win eventually (I think) but he has some serious shield hp. Nevertheless I keep at it and then check short d-scan.

Oh. Slicer.

In that moment I realise that I have failed to put the fairly simple puzzle together. Slicer and Kestrel in the same plex plus full shield Kestrel equals bait Kestrel.

I align away from the Kestrel to lose the point but by the time I am far enough away the Slicer has landed with a long point and MWD. And I'm screwed.

Oh well. "gf all", I say in local as I warp my pod away and get the same in return. Win some, lose some but it is all good fun.

Admittedly, lowsec is occasionally dead, by which I mean I can only find farmers. But that is the exception in faction warfare regions, especially if you are guided by dotlan or the map. Two good fights in 15 minutes after undocking. Seems reasonable to me!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#50 - 2013-09-23 21:44:58 UTC
My first kill in a Comet. Great little ship.

Lowsec kill: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20610865

Blackfrog made their delivery (promptly as always) so I have Comets to spare. And how better to celebrate than to go fight someone? I fit up with rails (125s, AB/web/scram, mag stab/plate/AAR/DC2, two nano pumps and a ROF rig). Four jumps out of Eszur I see an empty Novice plex. Did I say empty? I mean with a Firetail. He must have just arrived - I swear it was empty the first time.

So, a Firetail in a Novice plex. Good stuff. I land on the gate just as he leaves grid for the plex. When I land he is right on top of me. I am fit with rails so I burn away, slowly extending my range and decreasing his damage. Huh, he is hitting hard. I should have overheated my prop.

The initial panic is subsiding so I check the 150 million km short-scan. Arazu. But I forget about him when I realise that I forgot to launch drones. Again. Be free little guys! And since it is time to remember things I also turn FRAPS on.

Video: http://youtu.be/zI_jzJ6DeTU

Yes, his damage has decreased A LOT so I think I can turn of my reps. And then, hah! An escape attempt! I hit approach and overheat the burner and scram and catch him at 8.5 km. Plenty to spare. And then I notice that I forgot to give my drones the attack command. Seriously, they are more trouble than they’re worth sometimes…

And so the Firetail dies. But I’m wary of that Arazu and automatically warp out as soon as he dies. Then, of course, I realise that an Arazu can’t enter a Novice plex so I head back for the loot. Mmm, tasty, an Assault Frigates skillbook which, unfortunately, I just injected last week. KhashThan Vorrgh was a good sport about the loss and declared spoils to the victor despite the skillbook. GF.

That was REALLY fun. I’m going to have fun losing these ships!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#51 - 2013-09-24 07:09:20 UTC
Oh boy, this multiple-ships caper is a real rush.

I had spotted a few guys in system from the same corp in a Catalyst, Incursus and Kestrel. Things had just wrapped up with a Punisher in the Novice plex (props to Kravasher Prime for a gf by the way) when I saw the Incursus on d-scan. I was already warping out to the station for reps but it looked promising for another fight. I dropped a bookmark a few million from the plex on the way out and came back to it after repairing.

All three ships were on the plex 5 degree scan. I was not keen on the Catalyst but he soon warped away, unable to enter, leaving the Incursus and Kestrel either in the plex or on the gate. Or perhaps using a sneaky safe nearby. Multiple T1 frigates, and they are young characters into the bargain. Let’s go!

Video: http://youtu.be/tzKfVH5Ef7I

I warped into the plex and saw that the Kestrel was 12km from my position. I figured he was probably rocket fit at that range and my main concern about a kiting LML Kestrel was alleviated. The Incursus was much closer and I guessed blasters.

What would you do?

Well, I burned straight for the Kestrel with overheated afterburner. I figured the Incursus sitting at zero would have trouble applying the dps before I could kill the Kestrel but that the Kestrel would be hitting me the entire time if I went for the Incursus first.

The Kestrel went down reasonably fast and the Incursus only caught up with me when I had broken the Kestrel’s hull (Navigation skills, people). So far so good. The Incursus had started hitting me now but I still had enough paste in my repper to handle him. The blaster Incursus is SOOO much fun.

I didn’t get either pod but some GF’s in local led to me sharing a couple of favourite fits. They were just getting their feet wet in PvP so many props to Leigh Loo and Walker Greaves. I chuckled at his last line: “Thanks for all the tips. And for blowing me up.” Haha!

And the most important thing? I even remembered to use my drone!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#52 - 2013-09-24 12:26:24 UTC
Set drones to 'Aggressive'; that way they should attack anything you shoot at, or anything that attacks you (or them).

Note that they ARE drones and sometimes forget to attack, even when on Aggressive, so get used to using that newfangled radial menu to sic 'em on Da Enemies. Also, drone attack hotkey is F.

*waits for ISKies*

Cool

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#53 - 2013-09-24 12:50:37 UTC
Set drones to 'Aggressive'

May work in Plexs but watch on gates are your Drones Engage the Sentry guns :D

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#54 - 2013-09-24 13:11:32 UTC
Yes, I use F and the other hot keys now. I deliberately set them to passive after they attacked someone who aggressed me on a gate. I then had aggression and couldn't jump.

Might give it another go. Or just remember in future...

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#55 - 2013-09-24 14:19:50 UTC
I prefer to set drones on passive so it doesn't **** up and give me agression timer when I try to split something over a gate. You can often trick ppl into thinking that you agressed by launching drones. But if your drones are agressive you will be agressed when the enemies are opening fire against you.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#56 - 2013-09-25 09:46:40 UTC
Blasty Comet vs Firetail. Props to William ZZ for a good fight. This is a brief post lacking the usual story but this was a special request - he wanted to see this fight from my perspective! William ZZ tried dual webs on my Blasty Comet and I’m not sure why he didn’t nail me with range control to be honest. I thought it would have had a much larger effect on speed.

Video: http://youtu.be/KjqQDEhA8Yo

I need to go do some math…

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#57 - 2013-09-25 14:59:50 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Blasty Comet vs Firetail. Props to William ZZ for a good fight. This is a brief post lacking the usual story but this was a special request - he wanted to see this fight from my perspective! William ZZ tried dual webs on my Blasty Comet and I’m not sure why he didn’t nail me with range control to be honest. I thought it would have had a much larger effect on speed.

Video: http://youtu.be/KjqQDEhA8Yo

I need to go do some math…

Knife fight in a closet. Fast, brutal,and done. Cool

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#58 - 2013-09-25 23:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
That's right - blasters aren’t exactly subtle!

OK, math done. Wall of numbers incoming. I think I have this right…

Level 5 skills Firetail with 400mm plate and Afterburner II ONLY = 1232 m/s | 1848 m/s (heat).
Level 5 skills Comet with 200mm plate and Afterburner II ONLY = 1233 m/s | 1849 m/s.

So they are pretty much the same base speed with those plates fitted. Apply webs at 60% reduction (meta 4 or Tech 2):

Firetail webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s
vs
Comet webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s
Comet webbed x2 = 236 m/s | 354 m/s

So if the Firetail does not overheat whilst the Comet does we get 493 vs 354. Now assume that the Firetail is not using the meta 4 web but instead using two X5s (which he was):

Firetail webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s (unchanged)
vs
Comet webbed x1 = 524 m/s | 786 m/s
Comet webbed x2 = 262 m/s | 393 m/s

Now it is 493 vs 393. Over the course of a 20 second fight (which this was) that is only 2km range pulled. Well within Neutron CNAM falloff.

Assume a few Navigation skill advantages on the Comet (my velocity- and agility-related skills are all at 5 but I doubt a three month old character would be) and we have the explanation for the outcome in the video.

However, let’s also look at implants. Assume the Comet is fit with a low-grade Snake set plus Zor’s hyperlink, again using the X5s on the Firetail but the meta 4 on the Comet:

Firetail webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s (unchanged)
vs
Comet webbed x1 = 627 m/s | 940 m/s
Comet webbed x2 = 314 m/s | 470 m/s

I guess the verdict is clear: if you rely on double webs to control range then you must maximise your speed advantage. This means overheating your prop mod until you are at the range you need and using the best webs you can. That 2.5% makes a real difference. And I'm not just saying that because I have a stack of them in Jita!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#59 - 2013-09-26 16:12:06 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I guess the verdict is clear: if you rely on double webs to control range then you must maximise your speed advantage. This means overheating your prop mod until you are at the range you need and using the best webs you can. That 2.5% makes a real difference.

Good analysis. Thank you! Cool
Quote:
And I'm not just saying that because I have a stack of them in Jita!

Though that certainly doesn't hurt, I'm sure. P

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#60 - 2013-09-27 03:20:40 UTC
More multiple opponent goodness. I hopped through a gate to see a Rifter and Condor on the other side. Judging by the number of drones strewn about I think they have just killed someone. I hold cloak and watch the Condor warp away. There is another pilot from their corp in system and, yes, he lands in a Slicer.

I don't want to fight a Slicer and a Rifter at the same time and yet I am unwilling to give up the possibility of a fight just yet. I crash the gate, getting aggro from the Slicer who has taken advantage of my suspect status.

The Rifter doesn't follow me so I jump back through the gate again and warp to a safe. The Slicer leaves the gate and the Rifter is just warping away as the Condor and I land on the gate. I have no idea what they are doing. I suspect they don't either.

I lock the Condor but don't aggress. He jumps and I immediately follow, holding cloak on the other side. The Condor decloaks 15km away and I burn at him. He actually approaches me although whether due to a misclick or as a result of his keenness to make the tackle I don’t know.

Have I mentioned that I dislike Condors?

Lock, scram, web and he just falls apart under my blasters. I am expecting the rest of the team any second and they don't disappoint. However, I have a speed advantage over both the Slicer and Rifter and they can't hold me for long as my alignment to the sun (yeah, I know) extends my lead.

My selection of such an obvious warp target results in the Rifter following hot on my heels. But I am not in any real danger now. During warp I contemplate having a go at the Rifter but decide that my modules are uncomfortably hot.

I warp to a safe as soon as I land and give a gf in local. Stony silence! "No gf?", I ask after a few moments. "How rude. Hehe." Sorry lads...

Fighting gangs is great. They seem to have a sense of invincibility and a subsequent lack of caution that can be exploited. I think I have found the next stage in my PvP development.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.