EVE General Discussion

So, I have literally just heisted a small high sec corp that I had helped formed before I went on my "obligatory first residence in null sec." Not for much, around 3-4 billion, but more on a matter of principle.

A little backstory...

The co-leader of the corp, whom I met roughly two years ago, came to me after one of his earlier EVE friends took the shares of his first "self-ran" corp. While he wallowed in despair over losing his corp, I helped him by arranging mercs to fight after the previous corp thief defected (eventually destroying the defector's new corporation), getting new money flowing by introducing him to incursions, and setting up the role structure of the corp I just heisted. Then I left for null after growing tired of the incursion scene.

Went to null, fought in the last Tribute War, then out of game circumstances led me to my first EVE Break. When I came back to the game, however, I was immediately set upon to bring order to a corp that was actually thriving. Without roles, of course.

Our first endeavor when I returned, was moving outside of Rahadalon, in the dead-end constellation, as a deal with Brave Newbies to seed Rahad with ships that made up their doctrine. In-fighting between the guy I co-founded the corp with, and his second in command at the time (the guy with the connection with Newbies) ended with all of the industrial assets, including the POS, POS modules, half of the blueprints, etc. being taken when tensions finally rose to an all time high. As this in-fighting occurred, I came to realize that it was a prime opportunity to regain my roles. Slowly but surely, I regained them, and when we were heisted for the industrial division of our corp, I was immediately promoted to director.

After the initial heist, corp activity began to dip drastically. Slowly, what once was 10-15 people online at any given time, became fewer and fewer until even the CEO was overtaken by apathy, and he stopped logging in. Until, we received an offer, that is. An alliance was looking for experienced incursion FC's to run in-house incursion fleets. Which for the few that did log-in, was a god send, because we all had experience running said incursions.

However, in less than a month and a half of being in the alliance, we were kicked this morning, much to my chagrin. When I spoke with the alliance leadership, I came to find that my co-founder, and the CEO of our corp was verbally attacking the alliance's top industrialist (a guy with a rough asset worth of around 70 billion, and was the primary supplier of goods to the alliance in general.) I was livid. So I destroyed everything I could. Took the remainder of the blueprints. Cleaned out the ore stockpiles. Grabbed the wallet. Not to mention loans and everything else across 5 months. And then war-decced the corp to perhaps line my KB, and keep him from making incursion income.

TL;DR

So my question is this...

Is it wrong to use the most extreme measures, after a year or more of hand-holding, to teach a person that there are consequences to actions in EVE, especially consequences for biting the hand the would perpetually feed not only the CEO, but those of us who were constantly at the whim of his "quick to run the mouth" attitude? Or is it a proper lesson to teach someone who systematically ignores the advice of others, and consistently destroys opportunities for the people he is supposed to create content for?

Don't get me wrong, I have heisted a corp before...in my first two weeks playing, Ironically. So I feel nothing, and look forward to the tears.

But are the extremes necessary? Will they teach the lesson that I tried to impart for almost two years? Can this finally show someone that actions have reactions, especially in the game we enjoy playing so much?

Or does it fall back to the now-ancient idea that trying to run a high sec corp is like herding cats?

Discuss.

Kid doesn't learn it's hot, until it touches it.


It's a good lesson. It just needs enough communication to get through properly.


edit: sense.

But see, patience was ended after two years of hand holding. Hence the extreme lesson.

Being nice didn't work.

Being caring didn't work.

Fixing the mistakes for him didn't keep them from happening over and over.

So at what point is enough, enough?

lol such a "lesson" has been happily given to many by a small group of people for many many years in eve.

Also how long it took for you to show your version of such a lesson was poor, it took far too long...

Find the others and learn their lesson

this is old news

The best defense is a good offense.

Someone breaks into your house, and you have a Glock .40. The intruder is also armed, but he's such as clutz he can't pour water out his boot by reading the instructions printed on the sole. He turns the corner, and there's your Glock, 50cm away.

You won't shoot once, because you're smart. - you'll empty your clip. Why? So the clutz won't shoot you from his vantage point (the floor) once you figure the fite is over. Also, during the court case, his honor the judge will get only one person's opinion about what happened.

Yours.

If you part ways with someone in the game, you better figure that some day they'll come pay you a visit, and it won't be a friendly one. Best to put that individual in a hole deep enough such that that day doesn't come anytime soon.

For your own best defense.

There are no measures too extreme (outside of breaching the EULA) to teach someone a lesson in EVE. That is what makes this game so spectacular; how to communicate your message entirely at your own discretion. Another player might consider your method too soft, perhaps believing that you waited too long to act. Another might recoil in disgust at your betrayal.

You are allowed to act however your morality allows, you might be judged for your actions, but nobody can take away your ability to make a choice. Your decision was only as extreme as you consider it. That is, in itself, a lesson about how EVE works. People should be made aware of how cruel this game can be - in whatever terms you find appropriate. That you can be subjected to such action by another player is something that every capsuleer should keep in mind.


+1 for a successful heist

Thanks, it was invigorating to heist the corp after so much apathy, and I appreciate the response. And you are right, there are people who would believe I went too soft. After all, I had pvp ships in the same system that had his freighter full of incursion equipment, and could have waited until he logged to move to a new location, and had a damn nice awox kill. But I didn't want to be a complete ass. I simply wanted to teach a lesson that those who rely on his diplomacy for content were just as likely to bite his hand, as he was so quick to bite the hand that took care of all of us.

Thanks for the input, and of course, where you are coming from, I would expect no less, lmao. After all, the consensus seems to be, Grr... Goons, all of the time. This is an individual who fell victim to Striker Fatts awox spree a few months back, to the tune of 8 billion isk. All because he decided it was best to add corp mates without any prior intel.

He'll likely never learn then. We have a guy in GSF that is using an alt to rip off a highsec corp of their PLEX each month (they all buy a bunch of PLEX & stick it in the corp hangar for some stupid reason). They're too stupid to check the logs & see who is actually taking it, so they essentially deserve to lose it.

What's worse, is that this kind of crap is prevalent, always, at least in the few years I have played, but it does not keep stupidity from consistently being the norm. It is almost like people do not take the time to read what has been done on a far more grand scale than my measly 3-4 billion.

Don't get me wrong, everyone has their "herp-derp" moments, but really? All of the time? Every single opportunity that arises?