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Results of Molden Heath conflicted

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-09-06 02:23:36 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/results-of-molden-heath-conflicted/

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However, the move has not brought an influx of capsuleers to the region as initially expected.


"We don't go to Molden Heath" jokes aside, I'm forced to question exactly why the Thukker Tribe seems surprised by this. At present, the only real interaction that capsuleers and clone mercenaries actually have besides charmingly awkward conversations on The Summit is the ability for capsuleers to stand in for war barges when providing orbital strikes, and this ability is currently only available to members of the four factional militias. Clone mercenaries and capsuleers really have very little else to offer each other at present. Apparently, clone mercenaries have not yet been cleared to execute attacks against a capsuleer's planetary infrastructure, nor to defend it.

Indeed, there isn't any economic or logistical infrastructure in place to allow a capsuleer to hire a squad of mercenaries, nor any compelling reason for a capsuleer to do so, and apart from increased variety of orbital strike munitions, the reverse is also true. Outside of small and often incomprehensible "bonuses" or "penalties" in factional warfare, capsuleers receive no tangible benefits or drawbacks whatsoever for the presence or absence of clone mercenaries, and outside of being able to request alterations to the tactical parameters of their orbital strikes, the presence or absence of capsuleers is of very little concern to clone mercenaries.

A discussion of the presence or absence of capsuleers in Molden Heath, then, really revolves around the same factors that affected the attractiveness of Molden Heath as a region before the clone mercenaries were given leave to occupy territory on its planets - for diplomatic reasons, those factors will not be discussed herein. Simply put, the situation in Molden Heath has not changed for capsuleers by any measureable degree, the factor of cloned mercenaries being all but completely irrelevant to the matter. We have no significant way to interact with them - and more importantly, no significant way to benefit from them - and this is what needs to change if the Thukker Tribe desires a capsuleer influx to the region.

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Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#2 - 2013-09-06 04:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Denak Calamari
Yes, the interaction between clone soldiers and mercenaries is extremely minimal, and far from providing any real benefit for either side. But if I remember correctly, CONCORD is thinking of allowing non-militia to also bombard planets, not that it really matters currently, but it's a small plus.

Anyway, from down here Molden Heath looks kind of like the current nullsec to me. Most of the districts in Molden Heath are controlled by one or two alliances with the rest fighting for the scraps. The biggest one, EoN controls over a quarter of the districts, and there is a general negative atmosphere attitude them, kind of like Goonswarm.

But in the end, there isn't actually much reason for us to go to Molden Heath in the first place, conquering a district gives us nothing but a huge load of ISK. During the start when the Thukker Tribe just recently let clone soldiers enter Molden Heath, a lot of the groups were trying to get a district, which meant that mercenaries had to enter the same battle at the same time for every single day, fighting usually the same enemy with slightly varying tactics.

Things got stagnant real quick and when things eventually quieted down, the big corporations and alliances started selling their districts and arrange fights for pure sport, because they had nothing else to do with the districts.

What would help both capsuleers and clone soldiers gain more interest in Molden Heath, in my opinion, is letting clone soldiers attack capsuleer infastructure on the ground, maybe even have them be a crucial part of controlling customs offices and regulating its taxes. This could provide significant boosts to production and maybe lower tax prices too, which in return could give clone soldiers the ability to gain something not available currently on the market(I don't know what exactly yet, I'm just theorizing).

I'm not sure if this actually a scenario that could be pulled off realistically, but it could be a possibility.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#3 - 2013-09-06 06:49:04 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:


"We don't go to Molden Heath" jokes aside


Those aren't jokes. Molden Heath is just one of those places people gladly avoid in Empire space, much like the Bleak Lands and Solitude.

It takes a special brand of person to live out there willingly.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#4 - 2013-09-06 06:52:38 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Those aren't jokes. Molden Heath is just one of those places people gladly avoid in Empire space, much like the Bleak Lands and Solitude.

It takes a special brand of person to live out there willingly.

I'm curious, why is it exactly that Molden Heath isn't a good place for a capsuleer to set up a base, outside the entire clone soldier thing?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-06 07:27:02 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
I'm curious, why is it exactly that Molden Heath isn't a good place for a capsuleer to set up a base, outside the entire clone soldier thing?

No major trade routes, primarily low-sec space, poor market viability, no specific resources, no mission agents of particular interest, and only one significant thoroughfare - the Republic's only link to the Great Wildlands and Thukker space. There's nothing of significance for a market hub to coalesce around (Dodixie and Jita, for instance, both sprung up around high-ranking Naval agents) so commodity supply is low, and it doesn't lie in the path of any major travel routes; the route into Amarr space goes through the much safer Odatrik-Jark jump at the Heimatar-Derelik border. Looking at current maps, the only possible travel use I can think of for Molden Heath would be if an outlaw in The Forge needed a back-door route into Ammatar space, which surely must happen occasionally, but not very often.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#6 - 2013-09-06 07:50:21 UTC
It was more active a few years ago, before the Empyrean wars kicked off. My brother operated there for a while. These days, though, it's dead quiet.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-06 07:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
Denak Calamari wrote:
CONCORD is thinking of allowing non-militia to also bombard planets... it's a small plus.


A strange world we live in, where dropping ordinance from orbit is considered positive.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#8 - 2013-09-06 08:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Denak Calamari
Anja Suorsa wrote:

A strange world we live in, where dropping ordinance from orbit is considered positive.

I know right? Not like capsuleers fly around every day killing hundreds of thousands of people while destroying pirate vessels or losing their own ships bigger than a frigate.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-06 08:24:34 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
Anja Suorsa wrote:

A strange world we live in, where dropping ordinance from orbit is considered positive.

I know right? Not like capsuleers fly around every day killing hundreds of thousands of people while destroying pirate vessels or losing their own ships bigger than a frigate.


I’m not disagreeing with you. I just find the whole situation quite macarbe. You know that you’ve grown insensitive to the world and the people within when dropping super-accelerated railgun charges from orbit on some poor, hapless stranger is, I quote, a small plus.

It’s even slightly disturbing to acknowledge that I recognise this fault or disconnection in myself. Still it’s all for a good cause. That’s what we tell ourselves.

At any rate, feel free to ignore me. My recent time planetside has allowed some inward reflection on what exactly it is we do on a daily basis. I'm just projecting my thoughts.
Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#10 - 2013-09-06 09:19:13 UTC
Anja Suorsa wrote:

I’m not disagreeing with you. I just find the whole situation quite macabre. You know that you’ve grown insensitive to the world and the people within when dropping super-accelerated railgun charges from orbit on some poor, hapless stranger is, I quote, a small plus.

It’s even slightly disturbing to acknowledge that I recognize this fault or disconnection in myself. Still it’s all for a good cause. That’s what we tell ourselves.

At any rate, feel free to ignore me. My recent time planetside has allowed some inward reflection on what exactly it is we do on a daily basis. I'm just projecting my thoughts.

Well, as a technicality these orbital strikes wouldn't be used by no one else but clone soldiers, targeted into groups of other clone soldier. And when you think about it, we haven't really killed anyone in our clone soldier careers, as so far we have only been contracted to fight other clone soldiers.

But I understand your point, and I have thought about the same myself too. I guess everyone finds their own way to cope with these issues, whether it is disconnecting yourself from the reality, telling yourself that you're doing it for a reason or some other reason.
Chinwe Rhei
Syn Interstellar
#11 - 2013-09-06 13:15:11 UTC
Wait i'm in the militia and my home is in Molden Heath and i didn't even realise there's dusties to shoot around here. Now i got to try it sometime - i just need to figure out who exactly needs shooting and where.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-06 13:35:08 UTC
What Molden Heath does have is out-of-the-way real estate at moons, unexploited planetary resources and only a small community of relic hunters and datacache hackers. It's also pretty quiet pirate-wise precisely because there aren't many people out here.

If you're not averse to a slightly longer trading run, those qualities can seem pretty attractive.

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