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Drone boats (Amarr vs Gallente)
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Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-05 06:51:39 UTC
Hello everyone,
what do you think about amarr and gallente drone boats?

Is gallente drone boats superior compared to Amarr ones?

I can see that currently amarrs get drone BS, but I can find any T2 drone boat in their arsenal.

So if someone can at least compare armageddon and dominix it will be nice :-)

Ishatar, dominix, navy dominix, armageddon, rattlesnake, "navy armageddon - big drone bay but without bonuses" , there is also plenty of smaller hulls...

What do you advice character with nice drone skills (no matter other skills). Simply which ship would you advice for PvE and PvP, no matter what skills are needed.
BOHC Lotteries
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-09-05 07:07:45 UTC
I have an alt that uses a Geddon with drones and cruise missiles that runs missions nicely. The domi with rail guns is superior in just about every way though



Both are used in pvp as sentry assist boats. Geddon has more utility here with long range nuets. Domi of course does more damage.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-09-05 07:32:03 UTC
.... Typhoon Fleet Issue...

If you want a ship that can do lots of "things"... and use drones... this is the ship

No Worries
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#4 - 2013-09-05 07:36:47 UTC
For T2 Drone boats for the Amarr look at the Curse, Pilgrim and the Sentinel.

The original principles of the differences between the Amarr and Gallente designs were simple, the Amarr would have larger bays and lower bandwidth; lower damage and more utility. The Armageddon doesn't lose Bandwidth over the Dominix but, due to the shorter effective range and the Neut bonus the design philosophy seems to hold.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-05 07:37:40 UTC
As far as pure droneboats go for PVE, the Dominix and Armageddon are roughly equal with current glitched rigs boosting drone range for Gardes to 110km vs 90km optimals with 3 omnidirs. The armageddon needs to keep range to hit with sentries whereas the Dominix tracks better. Ishtar is really good speed/punch ratio. I would advise not to weigh pve too much in the decision; geddon and domi are both good but not the benchmarks.

For pvp amarr has the awesomely annoying crucifier/sentinel/pilgrim and neut happy armageddon. Gallente has the Dominix and ishtar doctrine boats, navy vexor, eos...

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#6 - 2013-09-05 07:38:28 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
.... Typhoon Fleet Issue...

If you want a ship that can do lots of "things"... and use drones... this is the ship


It is super fun, but Im going to load out the Geddon for Amarr space because it is pretty much the same fun in armor tanked flavor. With the latest buff on local reppers you can make a solid fit pretty cheap. TFI don't have much luck with Gardes IMHO as its not as good of an armor tank as shield tank these days, leaving only 2 utility slots and an expensive tank.

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Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-05 09:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Isinero
I dont know about fleet typhoon at all :-) (this one is new one for me now:-))) )
I can imagine fleet typhoon with auto targeting missiles :-) and drones :-D (afk farmer :-) ). The only things which make me sad is that second bonus is for large projectile turrets and not for missiles :-D. But I can imagine that damage of this ship must be amazing :-D

The little problem is that I am using more accounts ...
(I am using more account at once very often and I would prefer some AFK help :-) in missions 4 at first and later I will probably move some accounts out of high sec. )

Thats a reason why I am looking for some drone "AFK" ship. (missile ship - with autotargetting missiles) and I am planning to use only T1 drones. (ship can be expensive:-) ), But I dont want to take care about micro management like hiding sentries when missiles going to kill them etc...

The other question is if sentries are superiors to heavy drones for this purpose? :-)

edit: I tried to fit that typhoon and I am not saying that it will be cheap but cruise missiles + drones = 1300 DPS + 750 omni tank :) and its cap stable :-) (but it wont be cheap because I tried to fit it with gist x-large booster :-) and with pith it will be much cheaper but it will have lower damage on drones ... by let say 150 dps) and whats nice it can even fit afterburner :-D
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#8 - 2013-09-05 12:36:08 UTC
Isinero wrote:
Thats a reason why I am looking for some drone "AFK" ship. (missile ship - with autotargetting missiles)


The addition of the safety settings may have changed this (I can't remember if it was specifically addressed) but I would treat F.O.F. Missiles as about as AFK friendly as Smartbombs...
The intelligence of their targetting system isnt and they will target ships which are assisting you, even in preference for those attacking you, depending on proximity.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#9 - 2013-09-05 13:09:13 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
.... Typhoon Fleet Issue...

If you want a ship that can do lots of "things"... and use drones... this is the ship


It is super fun, but Im going to load out the Geddon for Amarr space because it is pretty much the same fun in armor tanked flavor. With the latest buff on local reppers you can make a solid fit pretty cheap. TFI don't have much luck with Gardes IMHO as its not as good of an armor tank as shield tank these days, leaving only 2 utility slots and an expensive tank.


If you are sayong you need more range for some reason fit like so:

6xCruiseII 1xDrone linkII 1x1200II (should be RR really if you are not solo)
2xPownage painters 2xInvulns 1xWhatever dmg you have more incoming
4xBCU (one or two could be CN) 3xDDAIIs
and for ammar space 5xCuratorII

This fit will give you approximately 1400-1430dps, @70+ kms, if you are fully trained and could push 1600 with +5s for missiles. I dont see how you can duplicate this with a Dominix but who knows eh?
Isinero
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-09-05 14:12:55 UTC
I heard that its save now to use FOF :-) but .... who know and who want to risk it ... thats other question :-D
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#11 - 2013-09-05 14:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapata Kapata
AFK sentries, heavy or fighters?
Forget it.
T1?
Forget it.
Only live mode assist, only t2 - only PURE instant damage.

Aggro moves across your fleetmates and drones, no AFK drone boats any longer since last year.

Crellion wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
[quote=ChromeStriker].... Typhoon Fleet Issue...

If you want a ship that can do lots of "things"... and use drones... this is the ship


This fit will give you approximately 1400-1430dps, @70+ kms, if you are fully trained and could push 1600 with +5s for missiles. I dont see how you can duplicate this with a Dominix but who knows eh?


Be ready to "EFT DPS" when a lot of it "goes in sand" because missiles have "delayed damage" instead of cannons and drones.
And if you will be spreading damage between targets - you missing "focuse fire" and killing longer active tanking NPCs.
So, evaluate first how to spread damage effectively and whom you will be or by whom you will be assisted.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2013-09-05 15:04:59 UTC
Lapata Kapata wrote:
AFK sentries, heavy or fighters?
Forget it.
T1?
Forget it.


This is more or less true.

You *might* be able to get away with Bouncers/Wardens/Curators set to aggressive, but you're looking at a Dominix for sure with DLAs, omnis, scope chips, sebos, and DDAs -- which means that if something does go wrong and ships start making it in past your sentries you're probably going to go boom.

But yeah, theoretically if you position yourself out at ~200km your sentries ought to be able to take everything out on approach while you're afk.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-09-06 07:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Lapata Kapata wrote:

Cipher Jones wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
.... Typhoon Fleet Issue...

If you want a ship that can do lots of "things"... and use drones... this is the ship


This fit will give you approximately 1400-1430dps, @70+ kms, if you are fully trained and could push 1600 with +5s for missiles. I dont see how you can duplicate this with a Dominix but who knows eh?


Be ready to "EFT DPS" when a lot of it "goes in sand" because missiles have "delayed damage" instead of cannons and drones.
And if you will be spreading damage between targets - you missing "focuse fire" and killing longer active tanking NPCs.
So, evaluate first how to spread damage effectively and whom you will be or by whom you will be assisted.


Theres no EFT dmg here, with a little practice you can happily time missiles so theyre not wasted, and ive found @ around the 100km mark they sink in quite well rith the sentry rof (depending on situation obviously, im primarilly a null sec ratter Blink )

No Worries
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#14 - 2013-09-06 08:15:24 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:

Theres no EFT dmg here, with a little practice you can happily time missiles so theyre not wasted, and ive found @ around the 100km mark they sink in quite well rith the sentry rof (depending on situation obviously, im primarilly a null sec ratter Blink )


As 1 noon boat it can be quite nice, but Raven/ or Machariel much much higher efficiency "per shot/per second" without sentries looting at same time.

Also in 2 or more fleet you will be either octopus or bored pilot after short. Or you shoot your own primary and your drones assist somebody instant shooting.
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#15 - 2013-09-06 08:17:26 UTC
Lapata Kapata wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:

Theres no EFT dmg here, with a little practice you can happily time missiles so theyre not wasted, and ive found @ around the 100km mark they sink in quite well rith the sentry rof (depending on situation obviously, im primarilly a null sec ratter Blink )


As 1 noon boat it can be quite nice, but Raven/ or Machariel much much higher efficiency "per shot/per second" without sentries looting at same time.

Also in 2 or more fleet you will be either octopus or bored pilot after short. Or you shoot your own primary and your drones assist somebody instant shooting.


As nulli crab higher effeciency to crab on CARRIER. Very easy, only 3 month pure training to car+sentries. And you are doing 90 mil/hr only bounty.