EVE New Citizens Q&A

Yes, exactly. do not ignore local. local + dscan is the best tools you have for situational awareness in system. in fact, I keep local as a separate window right next to my dscan window.

What I meant is ignore what is SAID in local.

The reason for not Autopiloting is that you will come out of wrap about 12km's fromt he gate then have to slow boat towards it. Lots of time to get ganked in the time it takes to get to the gate.

I stand "Technically" corrected. But yeah, either way that long burn can mean your death.

Kiera, you put up a post talking negatively about a game that the people here commenting obviously like a lot (myself included). That's obviously never going to get you a favorable response, and I saw the same thing in the World of Warcraft forums when I was active there (ducks).

But that aside, I think your assessment of the game is probably correct. It is all PvP pretty much. I have no interest in trying to convince you otherwise.

If you are a miner, you'll fly your cute little Venture out to an asteroid belt only to watch large Retrievers and Covetors swoop in and suck up all the asteroids at an alarming rate - including the one you've been working on for 5 minutes or more.

PvP

If you sit in Jita and trade - buy low and sell high - you'll see other players ruthlessly undercut your prices and watch your sell orders languish.

PvP

If you go out in a new cruiser to shoot up computer enemies, loot their wrecks and earn money and reputation - you'll see people like me warp in and start salvaging your wrecks right out from under your nose, while ignoring your protests in local chat. And if you try to shoot me - you'll get blown up by Concord. And I might even decide to loot your wrecks allowing you to freely attack me, and then mop the floor with you in a ship optimized for killing players (whereas yours is just optimized for killing NPCs). That's just a hypothetical, I haven't racked up any killmails myself.

But anyway.... PvP

Or you could build up an industrial empire and move expensive equipment shipments around high sec only to find someone's been scanning ship cargo holds and put together a fleet of destroyers optimized for blowing you up before Concord arrives, and are cheap enough that it won't matter if Concord blows them up too. Then, while you're raging in local, their salvager friend will quietly fly in and loot and salvage your smoldering wreck and walk away with loot worth many times the cost of those dead Catalysts and a smile on his face.

PvP

Or you could go exploring in high sec and find that everyone and their dog had the same idea and beat you to the punch.

PvP

Or you could move out to lowsec to escape the crowds and explore out there and get shot to death in a gate camp in a border system (I got smartbombed to death the first time I flew my cute little heron out into lowsec).

PvP

Or you could try and join a peaceful mining corporation to try and gain "safety in numbers" to enable you in your peaceful ways. Then suddenly the new guy they hired last week turns out to be an "AWOXer" (someone who joins corporations in high sec just so he can shoot his fellow corp members without fear of Concord) and you just lost your new Retriever.

PvP

Or that AWOXer could go and anger a nearby pirate gang by repeatedly killing one of their guys, so the Pirate corporation pays to "wardec" (declare war on) your new peaceful corporation. And suddenly everyone in your corp can now be shot by these pirates in high security space without Concord doing anything. Now you can't even fly into Jita without getting tackled and blown to smithereens. Some pirate gangs wardec peaceful corporations in high sec just for fun - no reason required.

Ever pull up the star map in Eve and filter it for "ships destroyed in the last hour"? Try it.

Notice how - with the exception of a few null sec systems where a massive battle just happened - almost all the ship deaths are happening in HIGH SECURITY space?

This is why.

PvP

You're almost safer in lowsec space where anyone can shoot you - just because it's so de-populated. Just expect to die occasionally.

Or you could join a Null Sec alliance and make millions of ISK every day farming NPC rats surrounded by a sea of blue players (meaning players in your alliance) with near impunity.

Until Pandemic Legion, or the CFC, or Red Alliance, or Gentleman's Agreement, or one of the other powerful null sec alliances decide to move in on your corner of space and start blowing up your ships. Your corporation calls out to your PvP protector alliance to come to your aid, and discovers that - they're too busy fighting in Delve, or Fountain, or who knows where else to come deal with this incursion and... "sorry, but you renters are on your own." And you either have to flee the system with whatever ships you can rescue, or your corp has to bow down to your new overlords by paying new tribute. And then the process starts over again.

PvP

That's what this game is. You discovered this early. That's a good thing. Now you just need to decide what you're going to do about it. There are other MMOs out there.

I do this, but I do it to even the retrievers and covetors. I do it with an Orca and 10 Hulks. You wanna see an asteroid belt disappear in front of your eyes? Gimmie a few mins.

Come on guys. Take it easy. She came out of the gate too abrasive, but modified her tone later in the thread and was appreciative of constructive advice and criticism.

Hello OP, I am one of those dirty people who engage in non-consentual violations of personal spacecraft EVE is a harsh cold world with only minimal protection for players, the only zones your more or less forbidden from griefing in are the starting systems of new players. Other than that every other system in the game is free to gank, war dec, bump or otherwise do things that most other MMO's consider griefing but from its creation EVE has allowed.

To borrow from the Star Wars universe, its like Mos Eisley spaceport "a wretched hive of scum and villany". And while you certainly can be a peaceful nerf herder or a universal explorer, you have to expect and be prepared for Tusken Raiders or your find yourself in trouble.

I've lived in low sec for a long time and I've actually stuck up frenemy relationships with fw pilots and ninja miners. I hunt them, they enjoy the rush of getting away with finishing thier plex or hauling out ore while Im stalking around. We 07 eachother and banter while I try and catch them. Sometimes I just let them do what they do and we smack talk eachother while I set market orders or scam on another account. One of the big hurdles to get over in EVE is to not take the loss of space ships personal. I loose ships, often expensive ships, but I always gf the people who got me. Just because someone loves blood and violence does not make them a monster in EVE. Ive even known a 52 year old grandmother who would yell obcenities on TS while suiciding into certain death, then refer to all her corp mates as "honey".

Some resources to keep you alive:
Directional Scanner Tutorial
Microwarp Drive Cloak Trick
How to make a PVP, PVE, Exploration Overview
How to set up a Magnate Exploration Frigate (Adjust around your personal racial frigate)

Some of the above you may know already, I just put some quick links from memory that I hope are helpful. There is also a pacifist corp that was recently started (if someone knows the name can they please link it?) who forbid their members from attacking others. You might want to check it out so you can have the support of like-minded individuals if you really don't wish to participate in PVP.

My advice to the OP:

If...When you get blown up, try striking up a conversation with the person who killed you and ask 1) how they did it and 2) how to avoid it next time.

Often, you'll get a constructive response. If not, oh well.

EVE is a basically the ultimate "rat race" where everyone is trying to get an edge on everyone else in any way they can. Yes, you CAN do anything... but so can everyone else... for better or worse.

I swear this post could almost be an advertisement for EVE. Very well-written. Wish I could Like it more than once.

OP, you'll get used to it in time, and may find safer games pale in comparison. Just accept that you'll lose things, and remember it's all just pixels in the end.