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pve machariel mid slots (level 4 misisons)
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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-09-04 09:00:28 UTC
Hi there, ive finally got the skills to fly this awesome ship was wondering how to fill the mid slots.

currently i have

Republic fleet 100mn ab
caldari navy large shield booster
caldari navy shield boost amplifier
caldari navy mission specific hardner
caldari navy mission specific hardner

should i change this around to fit a cap booster?

speed is just over 500m/s

cap lasts 2 mins with everything on i cant remember how long it lasts with the ab off ill post it later when i get home.

thanks for any help or advice.

Necron314
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-09-04 12:46:26 UTC
seriously, you need 2tanking mod + propulsion when mission include a lot of flying. Remove those spec hardener and put one invu and you should also think upgrading you shield booster to x-large sizeand remove your amplifier.

ugh!
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-04 13:37:14 UTC
Depends on your rigs. With burst aerator II you have less cap so a cap booster might be reasonable. CCCs or SMCs you have all the cap you need.

What you really want in there in any case is an optimal scripted TC to complement your TEs.

This is assuming standard 4/3 lows.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-04 13:55:10 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
Hi there, ive finally got the skills to fly this awesome ship was wondering how to fill the mid slots.

currently i have

Republic fleet 100mn ab
caldari navy large shield booster
caldari navy shield boost amplifier
caldari navy mission specific hardner
caldari navy mission specific hardner

should i change this around to fit a cap booster?

speed is just over 500m/s

cap lasts 2 mins with everything on i cant remember how long it lasts with the ab off ill post it later when i get home.

thanks for any help or advice.



It's a Machariel not a Nightmare... You don't need a cap booster.

The large shield booster is fine. I would consider an upgrade to Deadspace large if you're worried about tank. Also look into a Crystal implant set. The low grade set isn't bad.

I'm guessing you're using the Caldari Navy hardeners for theme or RP purposes? They have a very slight reduced cap usage but I doubt it would even be enough to notice since hardeners don't really use much cap. If you want better resists use deadspace. The specific C type hardeners are inexpensive.

Omni tank is good for PVP when you don't know what is going to be shot at you but don't use invulnerability fields for missions. The T2 ones don't provide as good resistance and the faction ones are crazy expensive and will make you a gank target.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#5 - 2013-09-04 14:58:07 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Depends on your rigs. With burst aerator II you have less cap so a cap booster might be reasonable. CCCs or SMCs you have all the cap you need.

What you really want in there in any case is an optimal scripted TC to complement your TEs.

This is assuming standard 4/3 lows.



Yes because Autocannons use cap.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-09-04 15:26:29 UTC
lol thanks for the replies. Yes i am using the standard 4:3 lows. why remove the shield boost amplifier? that gives a nice bonus imo
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-04 15:40:08 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
lol thanks for the replies. Yes i am using the standard 4:3 lows. why remove the shield boost amplifier? that gives a nice bonus imo

Because you dont need that much tank. A range scripted tc gives a lot more effective dps. The mach is about killing things fast. If you dont know what youre doing and want to feel safe with a big tank the mach isnt it.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-09-04 18:11:55 UTC
My arti mach mids:
1x lmjd
1x meta 3 100 mn ab
1x meta 4 x-large shield booster
1x t2 sensor booster with targeting range script
1x meta 4 tracking computer

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2013-09-04 19:39:48 UTC
Gist B xl
Dread Invuln
1 Rat specific.

After the last patch you dont even need the Dread Invuln, can just use an invuln 2.
No cap rigs needed. Can smoke any regular mission NP. 2 Utility mids. I like tracking computer II and OmniD. AB for missions with gates. An extra EM ward for Dread Pirate scarlet. 2 SEBOS for Serpentis Assault or other dampening missions.

Over 1300 DPS with curators, which are pretty good for most missions.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-04 23:03:16 UTC
Here is how I fit mine. If it wasn't roaming around null sec full with hostiles I'd drop the cloak for a faction Nosf and use the extra CPU at hand to replace the Afterburner with a MWD.

[Machariel,]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Domination Tracking Enhancer

Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-09-05 01:50:59 UTC
Hello, my name is Alduin666 Shikkoken. Me and a few friends are just getting into L4's and we would like to run a few missions with you to help us all out.




































Ohh, and I hope you don't mind if we come in catalysts.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Drake Krain
Space Nerds of Fortune
#12 - 2013-09-05 01:56:45 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Hello, my name is Alduin666 Shikkoken. Me and a few friends are just getting into L4's and we would like to run a few missions with you to help us all out.




































Ohh, and I hope you don't mind if we come in catalysts.


I'll be right behind ya with my salvage ship
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-09-05 02:04:58 UTC
Drake Krain wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Hello, my name is Alduin666 Shikkoken. Me and a few friends are just getting into L4's and we would like to run a few missions with you to help us all out.




































Ohh, and I hope you don't mind if we come in catalysts.


I'll be right behind ya with my salvage ship


Great! We always need someone to salvage the targe- err I mean NPC wrecks.

Honor is a fools prize. [I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]

Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-05 02:47:53 UTC
Mathias Orsen wrote:
Here is how I fit mine. If it wasn't roaming around null sec full with hostiles I'd drop the cloak for a faction Nosf and use the extra CPU at hand to replace the Afterburner with a MWD.

[Machariel,]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Domination Tracking Enhancer

Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II




Wow.... This is why I hope they never remove suicide ganking in highsec
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#15 - 2013-09-05 03:04:52 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Gist B xl
Dread Invuln
1 Rat specific.

After the last patch you dont even need the Dread Invuln, can just use an invuln 2.
No cap rigs needed. Can smoke any regular mission NP. 2 Utility mids. I like tracking computer II and OmniD. AB for missions with gates. An extra EM ward for Dread Pirate scarlet. 2 SEBOS for Serpentis Assault or other dampening missions.

Over 1300 DPS with curators, which are pretty good for most missions.


I've always just used a T2 Invuln, Gist-B Type Large SB and always have the RF 100MN AB fitted. I never change a single module.
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-09-05 03:39:34 UTC
I fit a 100mn ab and am cap stable with it running. Pith C XL shield booster, 2 x T2 invuln, T2 em ward field, I am lazy so just omnitank, I also have a thermal rig and 2 x CCC, 3 x T2 TE's and 4 navy gyro's. Rack of 800ac's and a tractor beam.
Maybe not the best, but I have no problems with it.
Bendak Starcrusher
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-05 04:27:05 UTC
What's your fire rate on those guns? I see alot of people posting false info on dps. So you snipe.. Hmm .. Let me think a dreadnought is a sniper so why are you wasting skills in this ship? Its fast its got 8x high. So just use pulse bombs. That's 2,400 damage the first shot. 240dps after that because of the firing rate of 10 sec. Fly up fast.. Use your supper weapon 8x pulses. Then fly off or stick around in YOUR TEAM. but I see here no one knows ho.w to fly a meachal
Bendak Starcrusher
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-05 04:33:30 UTC
I use my mini jump drive to you at 100k. You are now dead..Pirate. Wow that was a good fight.
Khanid Voltar
#19 - 2013-09-05 12:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanid Voltar
I used to run my AC Mach mids similarly to yours plus a set of lg crystals

But now (or at least when I last ran a mission) I ran with:

MWD (faction or deadspace)
Heavy Cap Booster (faction)
2 Mission Specific Hardeners (deadspace, Gist X-Type are quite cheap except for EM)
X-L Shield Booster (faction)

no crystals needed.

As someone else has said you can do it quite easily with a faction/dpace Large Shield Booster and an AB, but I tended to find for those moments when something goes wrong (nodding off/ aggroing too much to handle/ wife aggro / alt tabbed or whatever) the combination of a cap booster and MWD lets you gtfo in almost any situation. More often than not I wouldnt even use them, it is just a safety belt.

I think it gives you more of a buffer in case of pants on head moments.

Also I'd lose those faction hardeners, iirc they only give the same resists as T2. They're expensive mods for very little benefit.

Just my two cents.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-09-05 13:07:48 UTC
i ve asked around in game as well and some people say i should definitley go for a XL shield booster as the large simply dosnt rep enough. Any thoughts on this?
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