EVE General Discussion

Make bookmarks 200km in front and behind of where you want to mine with a fast frigate, align towards either bookmark as needed at 2/3 speed to stay in range, profit. That really requires a bunch of knowledge and attention doesn't it? How easy would it be to for miners to share this knowledge with each other if they were interested in anything but thoughtless isk farming.

You could strip most belts bare with just 4 bookmarks that would take about 5 minutes to set up. Why should anyone make isk with near zero input or thought into it. Training mining skills is not a free pass for isk generation, or a pass to sit on top of a GSC perfectly still while you only check on your cycles. I figured out the alignment trick years ago when I had a hulk alt out in 0.0 and it survived legitimate raids from all sorts.

The largest problem with mining and highsec in general is it has been allowed to be perceived as an activity that should grant you immunity and grant you isk for little to no interaction. To be safe requires 5 minutes investment per belt and a single click every couple minutes why is that so hard?

then you get into missions and eventually lvl 4 missions (and we all know how evil they are) so your next comment:



is flat wrong

some highsec systems should be a safehavent for newbies. Perhaps make 1.0 to ?? instant concord reaction. IE you fire lazars and you blow up before the cycle finishes.

People need to accept that there is a large enough percentage of people that just want to do THEIR OWN THING in peace and quiet. Wether it be running the same level 4 over 1000 times or being able to mine ice/ore without fear of loss.

At current players are being forced into non-conensual pvp by people whom purely do it because they get a kick out of knowing that the person they just ganked IRL is probably crying/raging in their chairs over the incident. not for any other reason, its just sad, and, if happens IRL you're generaly sent to jail, so again, its just people wanting to be assholes and doing ******* things that benefits from the current situation.


There is a crapload of systems in eve. at current Highsec is the most filled, because a large percentage of players - again - want to be left alone to do things in peace, quetly, "PvE only" kind of thing.

This should be permitted - just restrict it to 1.0 - ?? systems.

No insurance on concorded ships should be a given. You decide you're going to take an action that is going to result in you're ship getting blown up - guarenteed . You should at least have to do you're homework to ensure the target you're about to blow up on will give you profits, enough to cover the ship you just lost + for time spent. At current, the best IRL comparison so you can realise how stupid you're argument to CCP is:


going to work and punching a brick wall because you're angry at it. Then taking a claim to work cover to have you're medical bills coverd by your place of employment, every single time even tho you're inflicting the damage/pain to yourself, of you're own will/decisions.


Now that you realise you're pleas/cry's for the system to be changed will be ignored becuase you're logic is that of a ******** geneticly engineered maggot, please find something worthwile to cry about.


Again on the subject of concord reacting quicker - good on you CCP for finaly acknowleding theres a large % of people that simply want to be left alone, and catering to them.

There's an absolute shitload of pvp to be had in lowsec/0.0. I hope CCP make it complately unfun, and un rewarding for you griefing tossers to go around turkey slapping newbies purely so you can giggle like a downie and feel good about yourself for a few seconds because you fail at life.

Like ppl said earlier... make it all 0.0

Suicide ganking?

but this game is a sandbox that tries to cater to everyones playstyle.

Wether it be solo play (npc corps doing missions - undeccable)
Exploration/Wormholes
Market Wizards (buy low one place resell high where there's demand elsewhere)
Small/Medium fleet pvp (lowsec/0.0)
Blow warfare (0.0)
Griefing (everywhere)


Why neglect, no, neglect is the wrong term. Why continualy allow the people whom just want to be left alone, to play a game they enjoy the way they want to be. I mean its not as if they're needing the game to be massively changed to cater to their needs - all they want is to be left alone to have fun by themselves.

Why should this be dis-allowed simply to allow a bunch of pricks to get happy in the pants purely from knowing they've caused someone grief?


Hell, even the suicide gankers get it good. At current they can go destroy someone's ship, worth over tenfold more than the ship they get concorded in - and get all the money back on insurance? This benefits the griefers.

The only people upset about the possible changes are - the griefers.

Their play style isnt being disallowed - they can still do it - just their actions now have consiquences to THEMSELVES - which previuosly it did not due to their ship/fittings being refunded as insurance.

Hell, even if you give the carebare/newbies a permnant safehaven, say insta concord in 1.0 - 0.8 systems - disallow can flipping as well - you'd give them the much needed safehaven - while the griefers can go to 0.7 and below systems to do what they are currently doing anyway.

Yes - the mining yields are poop in these systems - but it gives the player who;s probably just lost a ship to suciide gankers a place where they can rebuild - without threat of loosing it all again due to a tosser who purely plays the game to disrupt other's fun.

It wouldent be gamebreaking, it wouldent ruin eve at all, it would, however, cause massive outcry from the gankers.

Hell, think of it this way. If the botters decide to move all their operations to 1.0 - 0.8 systems - they're income would drop to rock bottom, as they would all move there to avoid suicide ganking.

People would still have to move out to lower security systems to make profits, but they can do so in their own time, when they are ready, without being forced into non-concencual pvp.



And FYI - I hate highsec personaly. If there was no 0.0 i wouldent be playing this game. But, i started in highsec, i have friends in highsec, and i can proudly say im able to sit back and see both the griefers side of the story and the carebear/newbies side of the argument.

Unfortunaltey for the griefers, the carebares/newbies are able to produce alot more reasons that have valid points, as to why they should be catered for in the aspect of having a "safe place" to play eve, and all the griefers seem to be able to come up with are selfish reasons that revolve around how many lols per hour they can get out of blowing up people in mining barges with suicide canes.

I love the pirate tears! Kudos to Hilmar and his team for finally addressing the issue!

because catering to lone wolves in a MMOG is counter productive
and catering to anti-pvp lone wolves in a pvp-centric MMOG is laughable

if you want peace go play minecraft in easy mode

what is it the gankers usually say? OH YES
adapt or die

EVE has supposedly always been a game of consequence... except for highsec gankers, who get their attack vessels reimbursed by Concord. This has been a thorn in the eyes of many, simply because it´s so absurdly out of whack.

And to those who say suicide ganking won´t stop when their insurance is taken away: good, you won't miss it then.