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So I left high sec, and the risk/reward sucks.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#61 - 2013-09-03 15:47:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Harry Forever wrote:
there is not time to get into position with celestials

There is, since we do this every time. There's a level of skill required however, which would seem to be the hiccup when you try it.

Also, we know your fits because you die (repeatedly) in them, so.................................

(Ironically enough, including solo to an interdictor - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19346500)

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Maurice deSaxe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-09-03 15:54:42 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riskiest: WH Space
Risks: No local, pirates, local residents
Rewards: Very high.

You shouldn't drink the WHer's koolaid on this one. It's possible (in the sense it's done literally every day) to completely close your WH system off to any other WHs or K-space, making entry impossible.
The only risk becomes a random gang rolling their static to look for people to shoot, thus opening a K162 into your WH. In doing so, they give you an advance warning someone is about to jump in, giving you loads of time to get back to a POS.
The risk in lowsec and 0.0 are about the same, and the time from jumping the gate to landing in your anom is much lower than your warning in a WH, which starts as soon as the scanner begins a warp to check out the new WH spawn. Anoms in 0.0 have more scramming rats than lowsec, meaning no, you can't "instantly dock" quite a lot of the time.

Done right, there's no safer space to make ISK than WH space, they just don't want it to catch on so it gets balanced.


This is not true at all. C5 and C6 wh is much more dangerous then null. Sleepers are harder than rats by far. Mining in WH space is much more risky then null.

Unlike null the logistics of fueling you pos and getting ships and modules is much more risky for C5-C6 WH than null also. Most of the time you have to travel through null to get to a WH that can lead upto 6 other WHs before you hit home. And 5 minutes later your route home could change 25 jumps in the other direction. During that time scouts do not make a damn bit of difference. Unlike null there is no local and d scan won't pickup that fleet of T3s waiting for you. They don't call them nullbears for nothing.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-09-03 15:58:07 UTC
Maurice deSaxe wrote:


This is not true at all. C5 and C6 wh is much more dangerous then null. Sleepers are harder than rats by far. Mining in WH space is much more risky then null.



its not like you can't bubble enties and keep eyes.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#64 - 2013-09-03 16:04:42 UTC
Prince Sanguine wrote:

Why do you hate the goons so much? Seriously, what did they do? blow up one of your mining ships? All of them that I have flown with seem like good guys so I have no idea why everyone hates them.


I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.

But I guess Harry could be.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.

destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#65 - 2013-09-03 16:08:28 UTC
mission levels 1-4 are better done in HS level V's are the only benefit to doing them in lowsec.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#66 - 2013-09-03 16:13:04 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
there is not time to get into position with celestials

There is, since we do this every time. There's a level of skill required however, which would seem to be the hiccup when you try it.

Also, we know your fits because you die (repeatedly) in them, so.................................

(Ironically enough, including solo to an interdictor - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19346500)

lol, his fit is SOOO bad it doesn't even seem like it could be real. I forgot that he even needs to jam a co-pro on there and a processor rig to get the damn thing online lol.

That's like 3 lows, 1 mid and a rig slot just to not get pointed, then he takes on a dictor.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#67 - 2013-09-03 16:14:38 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
there is not time to get into position with celestials

There is, since we do this every time. There's a level of skill required however, which would seem to be the hiccup when you try it.

Also, we know your fits because you die (repeatedly) in them, so.................................

(Ironically enough, including solo to an interdictor - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19346500)


you got no clue, you just don't die if you play safeball all the time

"skill needed" to align with a celestial? you must be kidding...

honestly guys, play it like you want, your gamestyle is as boring as your personalities
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2013-09-03 16:17:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
you don't understand much about bombers, you just reapeat what you did read on the web

there is not time to get into position with celestials, the target long is gone, but how should you know... you think they are waiting for you while you get into position right? maybe the reason why you never made a solokill in a bomber, wherelse i made over 80 now... you can do your carebear tactics that your read on the web, what i do is a bit more aggressive gameplay, nothing for the faint of heart... just stick to your fleets there you be safe, this is not your business

I recommend you guys stop responding to my fitting, the only thing you explain to me is that you have no clue about the game

See: "Waah, you dont understand!"
Yes, my industry character tends to only go into bombers in fleets.
1. If you don't have time to get in line with the celestial, you warped to the target from a stupid angle.
2. I know from experience how bombers work, and nerfing the shite out of their scan resolution is a dumb idea.
3. Your "solo kills" are industry ships. You could solo kill them with a noobie frigate and a point.

At the end of the day Harry you are a truly awful EVE pilot, that claims to be amazing while providing no evidence. The amount of bombers you've lost shows that you are a terrible pilot with no idea how to fly your ship.
You can run around screaming "you know nothing, i know everything, you all suck" like a 7 year old all you want, but most of us actually know how to play eve so we can tell at a glance that you're full of ****. You're not fooling anyone here.

It would take you literally a few minutes to find some better tactics and better methods to improve your skills, but you'd rather just be awful at the game then cry about how it should be changed. EPIC loser.

lol, nice edit:
Harry Forever wrote:
the only thing you explain to me is that you have no clue about the game, with sensor booster you can have the exact same locktime like a normal bomber, however you don't need to lock when you bomb stuff, and when you play differenty maybe camp a gate, you can simply switch off the warb stabs as well, did you hear about that?

so you have many options to use warb stabs, however you won't find it on the web, you just find out when you use your own brain, something you guys seem to be resistant against

So you want to use a mid slot and 2 low slots just so you can try to avoid being pointed, even though you should be avoiding getting targeted? This is where you are chucking extra mods on just to counter the fact that you can't fly the ship properly.
And turning off the stabs means you wasted 2 slots.

I don't need to "find it on the web" since I've been flying bombers for years. "using your brain" is not something you seem to be very good at Harry. If you're so superior at fitting bombers, how come you lose so many?

It's not even like you thought about your fit. When you fitted your bomber you probably put the stabs on first then said "now what else fits...". This is typical of new players who get one thing in their head then refuse to move off of it. The DC2 was another module people tended to refuse to go without, even to their detriment. And do even get me started on the overuse of 1600mm plate. Jamming on every module and rig to expand your powergrid enough to chuck as many plates on the ship as possible, then getting blapped in seconds for being slow as anything (nearly as slow as your mind Harry) and heavy as a small moon, with no resists.


sorry got no time to read all this... all your neverending posts are in line with your gamestyle... try to bring it to the point faster
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#69 - 2013-09-03 16:18:08 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
there is not time to get into position with celestials

There is, since we do this every time. There's a level of skill required however, which would seem to be the hiccup when you try it.

Also, we know your fits because you die (repeatedly) in them, so.................................

(Ironically enough, including solo to an interdictor - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19346500)


you got no clue, you just don't die if you play safeball all the time

"skill needed" to align with a celestial? you must be kidding...

honestly guys, play it like you want, your gamestyle is as boring as your personalities

LOL
Ahh poor delusional Harry.
You fail to align to a celestial, which is a personal skill thing. If you can't line yourself up with a celestial before the target leaves, you warped in on the wrong side.

We don't play it safe, we simply play well. you lose as many ships as you kill, and you're killing noobie frigates and industrials.

You honestly can't tell how dumb you are can you?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#70 - 2013-09-03 16:20:10 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
sorry got no time to read all this... all your neverending posts are in line with your gamestyle... try to bring it to the point faster

OK.
You're stupid, and you suck at EVE.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-09-03 16:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
there is not time to get into position with celestials

There is, since we do this every time. There's a level of skill required however, which would seem to be the hiccup when you try it.

Also, we know your fits because you die (repeatedly) in them, so.................................

(Ironically enough, including solo to an interdictor - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19346500)


you got no clue, you just don't die if you play safeball all the time

"skill needed" to align with a celestial? you must be kidding...

honestly guys, play it like you want, your gamestyle is as boring as your personalities

LOL
Ahh poor delusional Harry.
You fail to align to a celestial, which is a personal skill thing. If you can't line yourself up with a celestial before the target leaves, you warped in on the wrong side.

We don't play it safe, we simply play well. you lose as many ships as you kill, and you're killing noobie frigates and industrials.

You honestly can't tell how dumb you are can you?


you just do what others do, say what others say, thats your style... you never find out anything new, because you would be scared to try stuff out of norm... great inventors have not been because they repeated the norm, we would still live in caves if there would be only people like you

however you are the perfect slaves, people like you are also needed to execute stuff, execute what others tell you
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#72 - 2013-09-03 16:31:27 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
there is not time to get into position with celestials

There is, since we do this every time. There's a level of skill required however, which would seem to be the hiccup when you try it.

Also, we know your fits because you die (repeatedly) in them, so.................................

(Ironically enough, including solo to an interdictor - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19346500)


you got no clue, you just don't die if you play safeball all the time

"skill needed" to align with a celestial? you must be kidding...

honestly guys, play it like you want, your gamestyle is as boring as your personalities

LOL
Ahh poor delusional Harry.
You fail to align to a celestial, which is a personal skill thing. If you can't line yourself up with a celestial before the target leaves, you warped in on the wrong side.

We don't play it safe, we simply play well. you lose as many ships as you kill, and you're killing noobie frigates and industrials.

You honestly can't tell how dumb you are can you?


you just do what others do, say what others say, thats your style... you never find out anything new, because you would be scared to try stuff out of norm... great inventors have not been because they repeated the norm, we would still live in caves if there would be only people like you

however you are the perfect slaves, people like you are also needed to execute stuff, execute what others tell you

You pull this info out of your ass though. You like to think we just follow blindly, but that's not the case. A lot of us have been there since well before everything you do now was invented. We are simply better at EVE than you.

An you think your the first person to put dual WCS on a bomber? No, you're just the only one that lost so many ships and STILL thought it was a good idea.
Everything you are doing has been done thousands of times before you. Te only difference is, you refuse to learn and seem to want to stay being terrible at EVE.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2013-09-03 16:44:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:


You pull this info out of your ass though. You like to think we just follow blindly, but that's not the case. A lot of us have been there since well before everything you do now was invented. We are simply better at EVE than you.

An you think your the first person to put dual WCS on a bomber? No, you're just the only one that lost so many ships and STILL thought it was a good idea.
Everything you are doing has been done thousands of times before you. Te only difference is, you refuse to learn and seem to want to stay being terrible at EVE.


I'm trashing your ships day in and out, you are 5000, I am one... so simple math tells me I'm 5000times better then each of you
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-09-03 17:43:49 UTC
you are a newer player and it will take some time to get the isk. however, 80 mil for a t1 cruiser is a bit high. can you link your fit?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#75 - 2013-09-03 17:53:07 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:


You pull this info out of your ass though. You like to think we just follow blindly, but that's not the case. A lot of us have been there since well before everything you do now was invented. We are simply better at EVE than you.

An you think your the first person to put dual WCS on a bomber? No, you're just the only one that lost so many ships and STILL thought it was a good idea.
Everything you are doing has been done thousands of times before you. Te only difference is, you refuse to learn and seem to want to stay being terrible at EVE.


I'm trashing your ships day in and out, you are 5000, I am one... so simple math tells me I'm 5000times better then each of you

lol, where are you "trashing us day in and out"
This month you've killed 2 noobships and an empty pod, and lost a catalyst, a bomber and a 70m pod
Last month you killed some industrials, some cynos and whored in on a T3 kill, while losing bombers continuously.
You are literally the WORST EVE player I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty bad ones.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#76 - 2013-09-03 19:55:46 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Risk V Reward

Safest: Null sec carebear land (found in deep null far behind the gate camps and npc null
Risks: Awoxxing, anything else you can dock up instantly when they enter local
Rewards: High

Safer: High sec
Risks: Awoxxing, Suiciding, Wars
Rewards: Average to low

Quite Risky: Low sec, Null NPC
Risks: Awoxxing, Pirates, Everyone and his dog can and sometimes do shoot you
Rewards: Average

Riskiest: WH Space
Risks: No local, pirates, local residents
Rewards: Very high.


You should add NPC null, probably between low and W-space because of bubbles. But then it doesn't tend to be as aggressive as lowsec so not sure. I'm certainly more comfortable ratting in NPC null than low (and higher rewards of course).

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#77 - 2013-09-03 19:58:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:


You pull this info out of your ass though. You like to think we just follow blindly, but that's not the case. A lot of us have been there since well before everything you do now was invented. We are simply better at EVE than you.

An you think your the first person to put dual WCS on a bomber? No, you're just the only one that lost so many ships and STILL thought it was a good idea.
Everything you are doing has been done thousands of times before you. Te only difference is, you refuse to learn and seem to want to stay being terrible at EVE.


I'm trashing your ships day in and out, you are 5000, I am one... so simple math tells me I'm 5000times better then each of you

lol, where are you "trashing us day in and out"
This month you've killed 2 noobships and an empty pod, and lost a catalyst, a bomber and a 70m pod
Last month you killed some industrials, some cynos and whored in on a T3 kill, while losing bombers continuously.
You are literally the WORST EVE player I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty bad ones.


He's clearly annoying you enough to post about it. Harry and all AFK cloakers for the win.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-09-03 20:03:57 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm trashing your ships day in and out, you are 5000, I am one... so simple math tells me I'm 5000times better then each of you


Nobody cares how many cyno ships and untanked transport ships you kill.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-09-03 21:48:47 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Digits Kho wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Risk V Reward

Safest: Null sec carebear land (found in deep null far behind the gate camps and npc null
Risks: Awoxxing, anything else you can dock up instantly when they enter local
Rewards: High

Safer: High sec
Risks: Awoxxing, Suiciding, Wars
Rewards: Average to low

Quite Risky: Low sec, Null NPC
Risks: Awoxxing, Pirates, Everyone and his dog can and sometimes do shoot you
Rewards: Average

Riskiest: WH Space
Risks: No local, pirates, local residents
Rewards: Very high.


So remind me again, why does 80% of eve population live in empire space?

Because people like to play MMO's solo. They don't like being forced to group.

Thats strange, I was sure that the amount of corps / incursion FLEETS/ mining ops / other carebear activities was alot higher in highsec than null. Someone must have lied to me
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#80 - 2013-09-03 23:08:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarn Kugisa
if you want to make money doing L3's then go to null and run missions
I do L1's for angels and I get 10M per hour in just mission rewards
also make quite a bit of LP as well

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