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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#121 - 2013-09-03 00:26:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Complete Tart2 wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

Side Note: People who are willing to do stupid crap for space pixels, are exactly that...stupid. It is a game.

When people invest over an hour f'ing someone else over out of game - it's no longer just a game.

The 'its just a vidya game' argument is hypocritical in most cases

Internet spaceships, it's serious business, and has been for years.

It's very serious business

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#122 - 2013-09-03 00:26:56 UTC
Complete Tart2 wrote:
When people invest over an hour f'ing someone else over out of game - it's no longer just a game.

The 'its just a vidya game' argument is hypocritical in most cases

That's called the meta game and that is what Eve is about for many players. When you figure that part out, you can figure out how to play Eve.

Oh god.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#123 - 2013-09-03 00:40:57 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Complete Tart2 wrote:
When people invest over an hour f'ing someone else over out of game - it's no longer just a game.

The 'its just a vidya game' argument is hypocritical in most cases

That's called the meta game and that is what Eve is about for many players. When you figure that part out, you can figure out how to play Eve.

EVE is also very harsh and cold fyi, this is a dark path

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#124 - 2013-09-03 00:44:15 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Complete Tart2 wrote:
When people invest over an hour f'ing someone else over out of game - it's no longer just a game.

The 'its just a vidya game' argument is hypocritical in most cases

That's called the meta game and that is what Eve is about for many players. When you figure that part out, you can figure out how to play Eve.

EVE is also very harsh and cold fyi, this is a dark path


Can't help it.

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#125 - 2013-09-03 00:45:21 UTC
It's okay, the mission runners balance it out by keeping the galaxy safe from NPC pirates.

Oh god.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#126 - 2013-09-03 00:50:50 UTC
Erotica 1 is no more evil than the people who write contracts.
Shi forces nothing to be done and invites people in freely.
Now maybe if the voice was hypnotic or something I could understa..
Oh of course its the rythmic chirping of Rhaphidophoridae lulling them into false security!
That is the secret Lol
HardRockLife
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
#127 - 2013-09-03 00:59:32 UTC
I support the demonstration of the superioritey of the EVE playerbase.
Not necessarily the area we are superior in Sad
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#128 - 2013-09-03 01:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr0000 Maulerant
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


Not true actually, the worst CCP can get is adverse publicity, they are not responsible for the conduct of their players. It's all explained in the eula.


A well written EULA can protect you from losing a lawsuit, but cannot protect you from being sued.


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Lol what?

CCP is almost completely idemnified against culpability from any reaction between players, so long as the ToS is not violated. Especially if it took place outside of their own game (and it did, since it happened on Teamspeak).

So unless you can point out some part of the User Agreement/Terms of Service that Erotica 1 broke, the most the "victim" (if anything, he is victim only of his own stupidity) can do is file a petition that will be ignored or laughed at.

This is what bothers me the most about the "stop cyber bullying" crowd. You try and legislate manners. Thing is, the Internet is an entirely voluntary participation. At any point in which you cannot continue to tolerate what is going on, you can click that big red X in the upper right corner same as everybody else. What that means is that any offense you take from some content, is entirely on you. Other people shouldn't be legally responsible for your emotions.


You missed two aspects of my point,

1) This isn't that big of a deal, but we need to make sure it doesn't progress into big deals.

2) CCP has taken step to protect themselves, and may be invulnerable to victim action against them. They are still obligated to defend themselves, or settling. Both of which are expensive

By giving incentives to someone, SPENDING isk on tears and taking it out of game- you can cause them to endure a literally damaging amount of grief. Compounded by the fact that people willing to endure this already have self-esteem issues, I could see a wrongful death suit against CCP in the future... Filed by someone who never agreed to a EULA.

I'd agree with you if it was just manners, if people were just being rude. We are social creatures, programmed to stay in groups even if we endure horrible things. Particularly if we have faced rejection in the past, we become vulnerable to more malicious behavior.

I feel as though we need to draw a line between "this ruins someones day oh well" and "I am going to try and harm this person as much as I can, because i find that empowering or entertaining"

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-09-03 01:25:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
For ISK, it probably could.




**** that ****, I need my money so I can get more deadspace legions killed.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#130 - 2013-09-03 01:33:52 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

this is a dark path

You are likely be eaten by a Grue

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#131 - 2013-09-03 01:35:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

this is a dark path

You are likely be eaten by a Grue

A scammer

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#132 - 2013-09-03 01:39:59 UTC
Quote:
You missed two aspects of my point,

1) This isn't that big of a deal, but we need to make sure it doesn't progress into big deals.

2) CCP has taken step to protect themselves, and may be invulnerable to victim action against them.


Your points are self-refutory. That being, the second one refutes the first. Who is this "we" that needs to make sure it doesn't become a big deal? The community? CCP? If the latter, they already have made sure.

Any such lawsuit can be dismissed with prejudice out of hand, and the plaintiff forced to pay court costs for frivolity.

Quote:
By giving incentives to someone, SPENDING isk on tears and taking it out of game- you can cause them to endure a literally damaging amount of grief. Compounded by the fact that people willing to endure this already have self-esteem issues, I could see a wrongful death suit against CCP in the future... Filed by someone who never agreed to a EULA.


"literally damaging amount of grief"? Only to people with untoward attachments to space pixels.

You seem to think that we have a duty to tiptoe around overly sensitive, thin skinned people. You are incorrect. It's not a disability I have to accomodate, they aren't in wheelchairs or carrying a cane/oxygen, they are just crybabies. At some point, they decided that other people are at fault for their own reactions. This is a lie. However someone chooses to disabuse them of that false assumption in the bounds of the game (or teamspeak, or any internet medium for that matter), does not matter.

"Wrongful death suit"? You do realize, that filing on behalf of someone who did sign a EULA is pretty much still binding right? Let alone the difficulty of doing so internationally.
Quote:

I'd agree with you if it was just manners, if people were just being rude. We are social creatures, programmed to stay in groups even if we endure horrible things. Particularly if we have faced rejection in the past, we become vulnerable to more malicious behavior.


Pure tripe. First of all, you can't just lump humanity into amateur social valuesets like that. And even if you could, "harden up some" still applies. At some point before becoming an adult, I guarantee you all these so called victims had a chance to realize that people on the Internet don't care about their feelings. What they chose to do with that knowledge is their fault. Burying their heads in the sand is still their choice.

Quote:
I feel as though we need to draw a line between "this ruins someones day oh well" and "I am going to try and harm this person as much as I can, because i find that empowering or entertaining"


You "feel". Feelings are, by definition, not rational thoughts. And you're still wrong regardless, for attempting to assign motivation to the person doing the "scamming" in the first place. Particularly since much of the basis of EVE lies in ruining someone's day. I don't know if the person I just ganked had just been served divorce papers by his wife, nor do I particularly care. There isn't some sign over his head granting him immunity from me because of IRL circumstances. And that's what it all comes down, in the end. Proper separation of real life from EVE Online.

Because it's just a game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#133 - 2013-09-03 01:42:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
There isn't some sign over his head granting him immunity from me because of IRL circumstances. And that's what it all comes down, in the end. Proper separation of real life from EVE Online.

Because it's just a game.

Guess we just have to protect everyone then

Triply if they are in highsec

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2013-09-03 01:45:19 UTC
Complete Tart2 wrote:
Eve = Sociopath's Playground


Eve is a niche game, it just so happens it's our niche.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#135 - 2013-09-03 01:45:23 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
"stupid person treated like an idiot"

stop the press.
Quick, to the moral high ground......

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#136 - 2013-09-03 01:48:01 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
"stupid person treated like an idiot"

stop the press.
Quick, to the moral high ground......


Imagine this in Adam West's voice for a good laugh.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2013-09-03 01:49:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You "feel". Feelings are, by definition, not rational thoughts.

R u spock
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#138 - 2013-09-03 01:54:45 UTC
Louise Beethoven wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You "feel". Feelings are, by definition, not rational thoughts.

R u spock


Maybe...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-09-03 02:05:29 UTC
Complete Tart2 wrote:
Here's a little story I found on miner bumping.

In the seemingly endless and bizarre search for tears in this game, a complete noob at Eve was humiliated and scammed for everything he had by Erotica1 and friends, including members of New Order / Code. This noob was invited to Erotica's 'Bonus Room' on teamspeak with promises of receiving 7bil+ if he handed over all his noob assets, with further conditions of:

- gathering all assets, including as many corp assets as he could lay his hands on and handing them over
- demanding on Teamspeak he sang (in front of his wife and kids that you could hear next to him) either '*****' by Garbage, some brony theme song as well as other idiotic ideas. The noob pleaded with them not to humiliate him by making him sing this in front of his kids.

The eager noob then agreed to read a random page out of wikipedia, with plans to spend his 7 billion winnings on gametime. After 5 minutes of reading out the page he was then scammed out of all his assets.

You need to hear this to for yourself. 45.28 is where it properly starts. https://soundcloud.com/fancy-space-tourist/happy-miner-payout

It's not just the fact he was a noob; it's the way the guy was completely humiliated with attempts by the scammers to humiliate him even more in front of his small children. Never heard anything so sickening in any game. You guys are F'ing idiots and sociopaths.


...and thw winner of the Darwin award goes to....?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#140 - 2013-09-03 02:13:03 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Complete Tart2 wrote:
Here's a little story I found on miner bumping.

In the seemingly endless and bizarre search for tears in this game, a complete noob at Eve was humiliated and scammed for everything he had by Erotica1 and friends, including members of New Order / Code. This noob was invited to Erotica's 'Bonus Room' on teamspeak with promises of receiving 7bil+ if he handed over all his noob assets, with further conditions of:

- gathering all assets, including as many corp assets as he could lay his hands on and handing them over
- demanding on Teamspeak he sang (in front of his wife and kids that you could hear next to him) either '*****' by Garbage, some brony theme song as well as other idiotic ideas. The noob pleaded with them not to humiliate him by making him sing this in front of his kids.

The eager noob then agreed to read a random page out of wikipedia, with plans to spend his 7 billion winnings on gametime. After 5 minutes of reading out the page he was then scammed out of all his assets.

You need to hear this to for yourself. 45.28 is where it properly starts. https://soundcloud.com/fancy-space-tourist/happy-miner-payout

It's not just the fact he was a noob; it's the way the guy was completely humiliated with attempts by the scammers to humiliate him even more in front of his small children. Never heard anything so sickening in any game. You guys are F'ing idiots and sociopaths.


...and thw winner of the Darwin award goes to....?

He did a corp theft? Well then clearly he can get more from another corp.

(He shouldn't bother trying this on TEST Alliance)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?