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Addavar Thearox
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2013-09-03 09:54:07 UTC
The biggest form of griefing I have ever been victim of was when I played an asian kid on Goldeneye 64. He had nothing on me. I could strafe him all day, but the prick had memorized the spawn pattern in the level we were playing (stack I believe). AND he used proximity mines and spawned killed me over and over and over and over....well you get the point. Needless to say I flipped out and he just laughed at me.

Some people are just ******* assholes. You gotta learn how to avoid the traps in games before hand. Theres no magic wand that will remove all bullies. The best thing to do is find other people to play with.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#202 - 2013-09-03 09:55:27 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
In this case, we are dealing with an anonymous identity where no attacks or threats were issued. There was no blackmail either.



well, the guy will have under many jurisdictions the right to deny publication of the voice recording. I'm not a lawyer, just my assumption. no blackmail needed. Something was published that is probably not allowed to be published.

legalities aside... I like scamming in Eve and I was a bit surprised what people seem to be willing to do for some ISK. In my job I keep on seeing what people are willing to do for real money and I find it shocking... but even for virtual money... terrible.

It's however quite a difference whether you're a scammer à la Maddoff who scammed the rich and those who should have known better and other Ponzi-schemes where you specifically aim at the people who've never been on lifes lucky side to start with.

I do find some respect for Bernie while the other schemes, well, guess you gotta find a living, but it doesn't seem very challenging now, does it? in other words, Bernie's got some bragging rights, the others just got ISK.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#203 - 2013-09-03 09:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Ressiv wrote:


You are aware that bullying is a social mechanism to enforce learning how to behave in that group ?


You are aware that you are completely ******** ?

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#204 - 2013-09-03 09:58:52 UTC
embrel wrote:
Something was published that is probably not allowed to be published.

Why isn't it allowed to be published?

Oh god.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2013-09-03 10:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Louise Beethoven wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Here, I will go ahead and give my final word on the matter.

It is an order of magnitude beyond intellectually dishonest to advocate for or attempt to arrange for real world punishments based on your reactions to someone or something in a media that is entirely voluntary to participate in.

If you do believe that you get to legislate your hurt feelings against someone, then as far as I am concerned, you are already damned. Nevermind that, in such a case, your opinion shouldn't count because you are so far from being rational you might as well be freebasing handfuls of Ambien.

So, if you think that the "perpetrator" of this "scam" needs to be punished, or if you are in the "something has to be done!" category of people? Congratulations, you are what is wrong with civilized society.

A civilized society doesn't advocate bullying in any form.
You can say all of this, yet people still get sued, and even prison sentences for abusing people on facebook, on twitter and even forums. Whether or not it's voluntary participation is beside the point. I can't throw rocks at you, and then claim that since you chose to stand where I was throwing rocks, it's not my fault they hit you.

The fact of it although is that it's already illegal in many countries to bully people, regardless of the format or method of delivery, so you can say what you want, it doesn't change it's legality, which in this case appears to me to be across the line.


As a victim of bullying myself, I can tell you straight up, what happened in this recording was not bullying.

I was bullied for while years ago. What happened here, at least in some parts, was absolutely bullying


Which part? The part where none of his consent was made under duress and he actively and successfully resisted a number of their requests, or the part where they beat him up after school, dismantled his bike, emptied a small carton of chocolate milk inside his lunchbox and questioned his sexuality..... oh, wait, that second part didn't happen.

Never mind then, cuz it wasn't bullying.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#206 - 2013-09-03 10:05:47 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
embrel wrote:
Something was published that is probably not allowed to be published.

Why isn't it allowed to be published?


I'm not a lawyer mind, but I'd assume it to play into this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

here's Quebec:

The following acts, in particular, may be considered as invasions of the privacy of a person:
(1) xxx
(2) xxx
(3) appropriating or using his image or voice while he is in private premises;
(4) xxx
(5) using his name, image, likeness or voice for a purpose other than the legitimate information of the public;
(6) xxx

so, under Quebecois law I'd assume the information of the public not to be legitimate. Guess other jurisdictions would see it similarly.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2013-09-03 10:07:19 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

You can sit there and try to justify it all you like. Fact is, that society nowadays does not allow you to bully someone regardless of whether you think they had a chance to get out of it or not. I'm generally on the side of "man the **** up", but that's simply not the way it's fallen.
And from my point of view, these people have added nothing, they've simply abused someone that was an easy target simply so they can have some fun. Whether he's stupid, or requires professional help is beside the point. What they did was morally and in many places legally wrong.


If by society you mean America, you could be right .. over here where I live, you'd have to stretch the imagination a lot to call this bullying. It's not that much fun for the victim, granted, but it's a lot of fun for 'them' and most of 'us'.

They added the very important fact that in EVE noone can be trusted to this gentlemans awareness, if nothing else. He is not identified .. except by EVE name .. which is anonymous. That makes it impossible to take legal action as who is being slandered here ? The EVE toon that is not his property but CCP's you say ? Interesting ...

In PVP ... don't we all abuse the other persons weakness to the maximum of our abilities ? Is that not the concept of PVP ?

Also .. you try to ban lotteries the same way ? Gullible idiots fork over money in hopes of winning with odds that are crushing ... this is also abusing easy targets for, even worse, hard cash.

Seriously .. what is the TRUE issue here ?
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#208 - 2013-09-03 10:09:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
or the part where they beat him up after school, dismantled his bike, emptied a small carton of chocolate milk inside his lunchbox and questioned his sexuality..... oh, wait, that second part didn't happen.



ah, school was great!
would love to know how many eve-players were victims of such and are now compensating...
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2013-09-03 10:09:34 UTC
Louise Beethoven wrote:

I was bullied for while years ago. What happened here, at least in some parts, was absolutely bullying

Me too .. this was not bullying .. bullying would be if they would actively seek him today and continue tear extraction .. day after day after day .. then you have a case. This was a scam played from start to end and done quite nice .. nothing more.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#210 - 2013-09-03 10:12:59 UTC
embrel wrote:
(3) appropriating or using his image or voice while he is in private premises;

Yeah, he agreed to have his voice recorded and I think this is more to do with covert recording like phone hacking.

Quote:
(5) using his name, image, likeness or voice for a purpose other than the legitimate information of the public;

It's legitimate information of the public.

Oh god.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2013-09-03 10:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
embrel wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
or the part where they beat him up after school, dismantled his bike, emptied a small carton of chocolate milk inside his lunchbox and questioned his sexuality..... oh, wait, that second part didn't happen.



ah, school was great!
would love to know how many eve-players were victims of such and are now compensating...


I faced my demons a long time ago. You'd have to actually know something about me before you could make such a determination, and before I could care of such a determination. In any case, any such compensation by way of a video game would be shallow, temporary and empty at best, and self-antagonistic at worst. If such compensation is taking place, which I doubt anyone here is qualified to determine, then they are doing themselves more harm than their victims.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#212 - 2013-09-03 10:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: embrel
Riot Girl wrote:
embrel wrote:
(5) using his name, image, likeness or voice for a purpose other than the legitimate information of the public;

It's legitimate information of the public.



I will claim the same as soon I get my hands on your naked selfies:)

EDIT: I didn't listen in. He really accepted it to be recorded? What an idiot. In these cases I tend to question whether those people are actually legally "capable of acting". Guess his wife should take over.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#213 - 2013-09-03 10:15:21 UTC
Ressiv wrote:


You are aware that bullying is a social mechanism to enforce mediocrity and normalise weakness of character.


Humiliated by having to sing in front of kids?!?
My singing humiliates my kids.
I do believe EvE allows some people to learn life lessons about trust without actually paying much of a price for it.
Remember kids, it's about 35m isk to the dollar.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#214 - 2013-09-03 10:15:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
While noob or not that guy just acted like an idiot and needs to be told so, but on the other hand Erotica1 and his buddies look more pubbies than ever, what a shameful bunch of useless idiots...

I'm not worried about my post being edited by some ISD or dev feeling scandalized by these words but being incapable to take action on that kind of behavior, they might even support it I wouldn't be surprised.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2013-09-03 10:16:19 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Louise Beethoven wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Here, I will go ahead and give my final word on the matter.

It is an order of magnitude beyond intellectually dishonest to advocate for or attempt to arrange for real world punishments based on your reactions to someone or something in a media that is entirely voluntary to participate in.

If you do believe that you get to legislate your hurt feelings against someone, then as far as I am concerned, you are already damned. Nevermind that, in such a case, your opinion shouldn't count because you are so far from being rational you might as well be freebasing handfuls of Ambien.

So, if you think that the "perpetrator" of this "scam" needs to be punished, or if you are in the "something has to be done!" category of people? Congratulations, you are what is wrong with civilized society.

A civilized society doesn't advocate bullying in any form.
You can say all of this, yet people still get sued, and even prison sentences for abusing people on facebook, on twitter and even forums. Whether or not it's voluntary participation is beside the point. I can't throw rocks at you, and then claim that since you chose to stand where I was throwing rocks, it's not my fault they hit you.

The fact of it although is that it's already illegal in many countries to bully people, regardless of the format or method of delivery, so you can say what you want, it doesn't change it's legality, which in this case appears to me to be across the line.


As a victim of bullying myself, I can tell you straight up, what happened in this recording was not bullying.

I was bullied for while years ago. What happened here, at least in some parts, was absolutely bullying


Which part? The part where none of his consent was made under duress and he actively and successfully resisted a number of their requests, or the part where they beat him up after school, dismantled his bike, emptied a small of chocolate milk inside his lunchbox and questioned his sexuality..... oh, wait, that second part didn't happen.

Never mind then, cuz it wasn't bullying.


Just because someone stole your chocolate milk doesn't make you some kind of Bully Master Expert™

Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2013-09-03 10:16:36 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Ressiv wrote:


You are aware that bullying is a social mechanism to enforce learning how to behave in that group ?


You are aware that you are completely ******** ?

I am.

Outsiders are usualy the target .. because they dont conform to the groups unwritten rules and often appear fearfull, insecure, submissive, etc. or actively stand up against said group. I did not say it was the right way to go about it nor that it is commendable, but it does serve a purpouse other then just the face value "I'm stronger and you will notice that."

Let me be ****** again.
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#217 - 2013-09-03 10:17:51 UTC
I was there, and this was really really amusing, I even had the decency to invite more friends along to get in on the action.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#218 - 2013-09-03 10:18:02 UTC
Ressiv wrote:


Seriously .. what is the TRUE issue here ?


grrr gankers

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2013-09-03 10:18:16 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
embrel wrote:
(3) appropriating or using his image or voice while he is in private premises;

Yeah, he agreed to have his voice recorded and I think this is more to do with covert recording like phone hacking.

Quote:
(5) using his name, image, likeness or voice for a purpose other than the legitimate information of the public;

It's legitimate information of the public.



I just took a look at the act in context. It only matters in light of personal identity and reputation. Without knowing the identity of who the voice belongs to, there has been no breach of the act. Australia is looking at similar legislation.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#220 - 2013-09-03 10:18:46 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Which part? The part where none of his consent was made under duress and he actively and successfully resisted a number of their requests, or the part where they beat him up after school, dismantled his bike, emptied a small carton of chocolate milk inside his lunchbox and questioned his sexuality..... oh, wait, that second part didn't happen.

Never mind then, cuz it wasn't bullying.

You are one of the many people who assume that it's not bullying if it's not done physically. Not the case. People get bullied on the internet all the time, and it doesn't have to involve death threats or threats of violence. The legality of bullying online is becoming more and more strict, in line with in person.
If you think of it this way, I can't go into a public place and shout abuse at you, there are several laws that make that illegal for me to do, regardless of your ability to leave the area. In the same way, online interaction is just a different method of communication. Hurling abuse at someone is exactly the same. Laws are increasingly falling in line to protect vulnerable people from bullies exactly like Erotica1 and co.
I find it hard to believe that so many people really believe that treating someone this way under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES is OK.

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