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Dev Blog: U and I made some changes: Odyssey 1.1. UI changes

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Macker Momo
The Big Moe
#21 - 2013-09-02 16:34:35 UTC
ZebedeeUK wrote:
Show Drone health while in Drone Bay?


This is a big deal if missioning, ratting, etc., and you have extra t2 light drones. One might try to recall a damaged drone and replace it with an undamaged drone. Sure would be nice to see the health bars as asked above.

Nice changes overall...just one more to go for 1.1? Maybe?

Life is short. Have fun.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#22 - 2013-09-02 16:36:58 UTC
Holy crap.. that last one is awesome. New drone menu changes are very cool too.Big smile
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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#23 - 2013-09-02 16:37:42 UTC
Macker Momo wrote:
ZebedeeUK wrote:
Show Drone health while in Drone Bay?


This is a big deal if missioning, ratting, etc., and you have extra t2 light drones. One might try to recall a damaged drone and replace it with an undamaged drone. Sure would be nice to see the health bars as asked above.

Nice changes overall...just one more to go for 1.1? Maybe?

I did look into it a bit, but couldn't figure out quickly how to get that information.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#24 - 2013-09-02 16:42:57 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Did you all notice the animated GIF? Blink

New standard. All future devblogs will have them!

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Citizen of Solitude
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#25 - 2013-09-02 16:44:02 UTC
Only having five drones to launch and in a group still causes the window to flash when launching.

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#26 - 2013-09-02 16:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Did you all notice the animated GIF? Blink

New standard. All future devblogs will have them!

Blink

Now we just need the new forums (currenly used by the dust forums) and the devs can post pictures in their blog posts.

New forums need a go to last post option though.

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#27 - 2013-09-02 16:46:55 UTC
TheLostPenguin wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Quote:
Additionally you can drop drones onto groups to move them into that group.


What happens if I have drones in Group A in space, and in a rush to get them back while under fire I drag the drone (which is under Drones In Space -> Group A) to a group under Drones In Bay instead of the top-level folder? Do they change group and come back? Just come back (probably what I intended)? Just change group?


This was the one thing that stuck out in my mind too during reading, how exactly this scenario will unfold could do with being clarified, and ideally it'll work such that any drags between in bay/space folders simply launch/recall drones without any grouping changes occurring, else a nice feature could end up mildly infuriating when your drone groups get messed up or worse yet it simply fails silently because you accidentally tried to mix types together in a group.

Yeah... now it works so the drone is launched/recalled and then moved....but I have been wondering if we should change it so if the drone is not in the same location, it will only be launched/recalled.
Let's see how it goes P

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witchking42
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-09-02 16:47:00 UTC
Me likey likey lots
corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-09-02 16:48:01 UTC
Assigning drones is a big thing in different doctrines, wether its fast lockers or slowcats or domis. Currently u have to assist or assign by findng someone alphabethically. Pretty hard in a big fleet.

Can u add so u can rightclick someone from. The watchlist and have the same asign and assist option on drones plz
Kimentor
Gallifrey Industries
#30 - 2013-09-02 16:48:14 UTC
Good stuff
Hildulfr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-09-02 16:51:10 UTC
We are most pleased with the drone UI changes. Big smile
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-09-02 16:52:30 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Yeah... now it works so the drone is launched/recalled and then moved....but I have been wondering if we should change it so if the drone is not in the same location, it will only be launched/recalled.
Let's see how it goes P


So if I'm trying to recall a drone quickly while under fire, I need to drag it to a rather small target area. Not good. Sad
The rest is awesome, suspect that I'll still be using the right click to pull drones back 'quickly' though.
Destiny Calling
North Eastern Swat
#33 - 2013-09-02 16:54:56 UTC
Please code up or fix the current sensor sweep button so that I can disable it entirely.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#34 - 2013-09-02 16:56:14 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Yeah... now it works so the drone is launched/recalled and then moved....but I have been wondering if we should change it so if the drone is not in the same location, it will only be launched/recalled.
Let's see how it goes P


So if I'm trying to recall a drone quickly while under fire, I need to drag it to a rather small target area. Not good. Sad
The rest is awesome, suspect that I'll still be using the right click to pull drones back 'quickly' though.

If the recall option becomes first layer on the radial menu for drones that would be the best option.

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#35 - 2013-09-02 17:08:59 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Generated a bug report about the conflict between new radial option and drag and drop when moving drones back and forth between in space and in the hanger using only the mouse. This causes the info window to pop up because of the radial menu pops up when you try to launch the second drone group unless you reset your drone action count by clicking some where else in the UI.
[...]
New patch still has inconsistent pop ups when radial delay is on one. Radial delay on two works correctly.
I'm looking at the bugreport and I don't understand... what do you mean bey "reset your drone action count"? Is this not just an issue of if the radial menu delay is low and you are too slow to drag you get the radial menu?


Salpun wrote:

Currently functionality when dragging a group over a group is it does nothing. If you drag to the main window or to non grouped drones recalls the drones.
I'm not sure what you meanWhat?...dragging a group onto a group will recall/launch drones if needed and move them to that group (maybe that should be changed).

Salpun wrote:

Could you place the recall command in the warp to spot for all drones radial menu please.
hmmm... we thought about replacing the "orbit" option with "return and orbit" but felt it broke a little bit the concept of those being actions that your ship is taking on the other object and I think this falls under that... but would be nice Smile

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Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-09-02 17:09:40 UTC
will the off button for the sensor overlay actually work now or has this "feature" been pushed back to a later date?
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#37 - 2013-09-02 17:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
CCP karkur wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Generated a bug report about the conflict between new radial option and drag and drop when moving drones back and forth between in space and in the hanger using only the mouse. This causes the info window to pop up because of the radial menu pops up when you try to launch the second drone group unless you reset your drone action count by clicking some where else in the UI.
[...]
New patch still has inconsistent pop ups when radial delay is on one. Radial delay on two works correctly.
I'm looking at the bugreport and I don't understand... what do you mean bey "reset your drone action count"? Is this not just an issue of if the radial menu delay is low and you are too slow to drag you get the radial menu?


Salpun wrote:

Currently functionality when dragging a group over a group is it does nothing. If you drag to the main window or to non grouped drones recalls the drones.
I'm not sure what you meanWhat?...dragging a group onto a group will recall/launch drones if needed and move them to that group (maybe that should be changed).

Salpun wrote:

Could you place the recall command in the warp to spot for all drones radial menu please.
hmmm... we thought about replacing the "orbit" option with "return and orbit" but felt it broke a little bit the concept of those being actions that your ship is taking on the other object and I think this falls under that... but would be nice Smile


Yep having the delay at one will not work for drones when you use them a lot might want to include a disclaimer somewhere. Smile Having the delay on two makes the functionality consistent.

Still getting random dead zones when the radial menu will not pop up on the window also.

New build did not drop them into the group that i had dragged them over if I used the full group header. That is how the functionality should be in my opinion.

Return to drone bay will be used more then return and orbit and is very needed on the first level radial menu. best spot is the normal warp to tab as it is the only one not used on level one.

Return to drone bay is a must have on patch deploy or thats all you are going to hear about.Twisted

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Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-09-02 17:39:36 UTC
Karkur--can you fix one more thing while you're at it? The drone UI currently handles stacked drones differently from unstacked drones, and it drives me nuts.

You can see it pretty easily--grab a ship, drag a stack of five repackaged (i.e. not yet launched) drones into the drone bay, and undock. After adding them to a group, you can right-click on the group in the drone menu--but the right-click menu you get here is different from what you get if you right-click on a group of drones that aren't stacked in your drone bay. Specifically, the first option for "stacked" drones is "show info", whereas for unstacked groups it's "launch drones". It's not specifically a repackaging issue (five unstacked, but repackaged, drones will show "launch drones")--it's a drone stack issue.

I have actually lost some hectic fights due to using a newly-bought stack of drones and getting a "show info" popup when I thought I had launched them.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#39 - 2013-09-02 17:42:43 UTC
CCP karkur for President of our hearts!
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2013-09-02 17:43:52 UTC
Some really good changes, i particularly like the drone assist group. Now if I could get my drones to my watch list and have them stay assigned I would be as happy as a pig in poo :)