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Alts are ruining EVE

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Crimson Vectore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-02 15:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Crimson Vectore
Discuss

I believe that CCP are aware of this yet do nothing to stop it because it's one of their main sources of income. Individual players who can barely afford one character are at a great disadvantage due to the fact that they're competing with people who are able to exponentially raise their influence by just buying more characters. Not everyone, especially newer players, can make such an investment given the current situation in EVE. The situation being that older Alliances have monopolized Nullsec.

for example;

You purchase 10 accounts
You train those accounts for industry
You purchase a sub for multibox software
You create a 0% tax indy corp in Hisec
You continuously get ganked by Alt corps that belong to a nullsec alliance
You realize that it isn't profitable and that your attempts of generating a return on your investment is impossible
Were are you going to go? Nullsec?(lol) Unsub?(only choice) Who's going to reimburse the $1000 you just spent? CCP?(pfft)
So what can you do?

It's impossible to gain any ground without joining them. It's safe to say that EVE is now a game about who's played it the longest, has the most toons, and who has the largest mass of mindless followers.

I'd like to see how much more interesting EVE would play out if everyone was just bound to one identity.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-09-02 15:10:14 UTC
Poasting in yet another blatent "ban isBoxer" thread.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-02 15:15:15 UTC
Use a covops/blockade runner to transport high value items like blueprints. Use a freighter service with full collateral. Easy.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-09-02 15:15:51 UTC
People who whine about non-issues are ruining the game.
Crimson Vectore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-02 15:17:51 UTC
Always the goons.Lol
RaTTuS
BIG
#6 - 2013-09-02 15:19:38 UTC
just get PI running on 3 characters then you can afford another account

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#7 - 2013-09-02 15:20:44 UTC
Crimson Vectore wrote:
Discuss

I believe that CCP are aware of this yet do nothing to stop it because it's one of their main sources of income. Individual players who can barely afford one character are at a great disadvantage due to the fact that they're competing with people who are able to exponentially raise their influence by just buying more characters. Not everyone, especially newer players, can make such an investment given the current situation in EVE. The situation being that older Alliances have monopolized Nullsec.

for example;

You purchase 10 accounts
You train those accounts for industry
You purchase a sub for multibox software
You create a 0% tax indy corp in Hisec
You continuously get ganked by Alt corps that belong to a nullsec alliance
You realize that it isn't profitable and that your attempts of generating a return on your investment is impossible
Were are you going to go? Nullsec?(lol) Unsub?(only choice) Who's going to reimburse the $1000 you just spent? CCP?(pfft)
So what can you do?

It's impossible to gain any ground without either joining them. It's safe to say that EVE is now a game about who's played it the longest, has the most toons, and the largest mass of mindless followers.

I'd like to see how much more interesting EVE would play out if everyone was just bound to one identity.

You could rent space :D
Also, you could move to one of the many solar systems where ganking is less rife (if your region is Domain, The Citadel, The Forge or Metropolis for example, you're doing it wrong). You could also fit your ships for anti-gank rather than pure yield. Also if you are all within 5km of each other, you're doing it wrong again as clusters of miners are great for mass ganks (imagine your miners have to do that thing kids do when they are in PE, where they stick their arms out and spin, and if they clip another kid, they are too close).

ISK is a LOT easier to make now than it used to be. Being a noob now is pure glory compared to how it used to be.

Also, high sec mining isn;t really the best isk. It's alright, but alone it's not great. Running a manufacturing corp and a trading win alongside it might increase your profits over the "all eggs in one basket" approach of mining.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#8 - 2013-09-02 15:21:26 UTC
Crimson Vectore wrote:

You realize that it isn't profitable and that your attempts of generating a return on your investment is impossible


Have you pondered that Eve might be a game?

You know something one plays for fun and not to generate return on any investment.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Crimson Vectore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-09-02 15:24:44 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:


Have you pondered that Eve might be a game?

You know something one plays for fun and not to generate return on any investment.



BULLSHIT
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#10 - 2013-09-02 15:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I dont understand why do someone need 10 accounts to play this game, and behold, sometimes all PLEXed. Why are people so devoid of real live in the first place? What has become our destiny, the destiny of EVE? I feel like a freak having only one acount. :(
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#11 - 2013-09-02 15:26:43 UTC
Crimson Vectore wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:


Have you pondered that Eve might be a game?

You know something one plays for fun and not to generate return on any investment.



BULLSHIT

You play EVE for a return on investment?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#12 - 2013-09-02 15:28:36 UTC
When EVE is real, so is ISK. Lol
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-09-02 15:30:41 UTC
You are " playing " wrong, I've been with eve about 2.5 years and in that time I've never plexed.
The moment you make it about plexing it becomes a chore.

I have three accounts now, still don't plex them even tho I could, it sucks the fun out if all you are chasing is a fat wallet
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2013-09-02 15:30:42 UTC
Crimson Vectore wrote:
You purchase 10 accounts
You train those accounts for industry
You purchase a sub for multibox software
You create a 0% tax indy corp in Hisec
You continuously get ganked by Alt corps that belong to a nullsec alliance
…or you just do ^^ that, skip the bad parts, and earn a healthy profit on your industrial endeavours. For good measure, set your tax to 100%.

Quote:
It's impossible to gain any ground without joining them. It's safe to say that EVE is now a game about who's played it the longest, has the most toons, and who has the largest mass of mindless followers.
Would you equate “safe” with “wrong”? I'm not sure I would.
Duncan Norvelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-09-02 15:32:13 UTC
Crimson Vectore wrote:


Tears.



Confirming multi-boxing is the only way to make good money in EvE.

Also confirming I just confirmed something.

Oh, and the OP is as blinkered as a rat in a toilet roll. I'm confirming that too.

I can also confirming it's all CCPs fault and rage-quitting is the answer.

I think I've confirmed enough for today.

Chase me!

Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-09-02 15:38:11 UTC
Im a new player with no alts.

1) I dont understand why people insist on being at the same level as vets. Why should a 1 yr player be comparable to a 10yr player. And yes that means as long as the vet keeps playing ull never catch up. Ull always be 9 yrs behind. Suck it up

2) why should ur one man hi sec corp be safe from getting torn apart? If u cant protect urself join a group that can. If ur gonna play solo +10 alts then accept that ur weaker than 3 player +30 alts
Crimson Vectore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-02 15:39:21 UTC
Duncan Norvelle wrote:

Mindless rabble about how I'm perpetually bound to my masters in such a way that if I were to ever leave my entire existence in this game would become invalid . I'd also like to add that I'm a complete tool and that anyone who ever tries to be anything else than just another ponzy is blah blah rabble rabble >insert mindless drone argument #45876 here<

incoherent dismissal
incoherent dismissal
bleep bloop
.
Crimson Vectore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-09-02 15:41:29 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Im a new player with no alts.

1) I dont understand why people insist on being at the same level as vets. Why should a 1 yr player be comparable to a 10yr player. And yes that means as long as the vet keeps playing ull never catch up. Ull always be 9 yrs behind. Suck it up

2) why should ur one man hi sec corp be safe from getting torn apart? If u cant protect urself join a group that can. If ur gonna play solo +10 alts then accept that ur weaker than 3 player +30 alts



This is no different than how the Mafia used to, and maybe still does, extort small business owners.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#19 - 2013-09-02 15:43:25 UTC
Crimson Vectore wrote:
Duncan Norvelle wrote:

Mindless rabble about how I'm perpetually bound to my masters in such a way that if I were to ever leave my entire existence in this game would become invalid . I'd also like to add that I'm a complete tool and that anyone who ever tries to be anything else than just another ponzy is blah blah rabble rabble >insert mindless drone argument #45876 here<

incoherent dismissal
incoherent dismissal
bleep bloop
.

Crimson. Have you ever thought that there maybe a reason people gank you?
I'm considering finding your alts and your area of operations and ganking you til you ragequit in a puddle of tears. There's plenty of advice in here, and good reasons not to cry about peoples alts, yet you just write dumbass responses. Best of luck getting good responses when you act like a child.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Crimson Vectore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-02 15:46:53 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Best of luck getting good responses when you act like a child.


He started it.
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