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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#541 - 2013-09-01 00:11:52 UTC
Ragnen Delent wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:

The issue is that a 1.5m ship can do a stupid amount of dps, tipping the cost equation.

How does the name Destroyer not give you a clue as to the purpose of the ship? Its main design criteria is that it can do an excessive amount of DPS for the size and price of the platform, working as intended.

Then what do Titans do?


Act as incredibly expensive coffins, of course.

That's not really evident in their name.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#542 - 2013-09-01 01:40:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Best part is that I never said those words. I gave numbers on what someone with a personal fleet made shooting NPCs


Sorry, I guess I gave you the benefit of the doubt since your figure was pretty close to reality. If you were trying to say that Freighter gankers make < 2.5b/hr, I guess we can work with that too. I think perhaps you should have stuck with mine for the sake of your argument though?
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#543 - 2013-09-01 05:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Arya Regnar
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah they need to be able to fit a tank. Give them fitting abilty. Its pretty stupid an orca can be fit to have 3 times the HP of a freighter.

You'll get a lot of idiots coming into this thread saying theres no problem but they make a living off ganking freighters so theyre biased. You'll also get people who are fanboys of the latter but neither will have a reasonable or sustainable argument so likely you'll get flamed.

I don't gank nor use freighters and its clear to me that when freighters were introduced without fitting it took a sizeable battleship force to kill one. Things have changed a lot and freighters need a rethink.

3 times ehp?
Maybe If you fit estamels invulns t2 rigs bulkheads and dcu.
Stop blowing things out of proportions, orca also can't haul 900000 m3

More cargo should not equal more ehp.
If you move valuable cargo do it in a bloody damnation instead of crying about how your poor freighter got ganked.

--Edit--
Carebear tears sure filled up 28 pages quickly.

What a threadnaught!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#544 - 2013-09-01 05:29:04 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Best part is that I never said those words. I gave numbers on what someone with a personal fleet made shooting NPCs


Sorry, I guess I gave you the benefit of the doubt since your figure was pretty close to reality. If you were trying to say that Freighter gankers make < 2.5b/hr, I guess we can work with that too. I think perhaps you should have stuck with mine for the sake of your argument though?


Your numbers are wrong so no I wouldn't have gone with yours. The average freighter ganker will make less than running level 4 missions and nowhere near 2 billion an hour.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#545 - 2013-09-01 05:45:15 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah they need to be able to fit a tank. Give them fitting abilty. Its pretty stupid an orca can be fit to have 3 times the HP of a freighter.

You'll get a lot of idiots coming into this thread saying theres no problem but they make a living off ganking freighters so theyre biased. You'll also get people who are fanboys of the latter but neither will have a reasonable or sustainable argument so likely you'll get flamed.

I don't gank nor use freighters and its clear to me that when freighters were introduced without fitting it took a sizeable battleship force to kill one. Things have changed a lot and freighters need a rethink.

3 times ehp?
Maybe If you fit estamels invulns t2 rigs bulkheads and dcu.
Stop blowing things out of proportions, orca also can't haul 900000 m3

More cargo should not equal more ehp.
If you move valuable cargo do it in a bloody damnation instead of crying about how your poor freighter got ganked.

--Edit--
Carebear tears sure filled up 28 pages quickly.

What a threadnaught!


I was able to force an Orca up to 319k EHP with officer mods and a pile of implants. A Charon has 180k EHP.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#546 - 2013-09-01 05:50:06 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:

The issue is that a 1.5m ship can do a stupid amount of dps, tipping the cost equation.

How does the name Destroyer not give you a clue as to the purpose of the ship? Its main design criteria is that it can do an excessive amount of DPS for the size and price of the platform, working as intended.

Then what do Titans do?

Prevent some people from breeding, much like the condom carrying the same name P

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#547 - 2013-09-01 05:52:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Your numbers are wrong so no I wouldn't have gone with yours. The average freighter ganker will make less than running level 4 missions and nowhere near 2 billion an hour.


Certainly, but 60b/24hr is the only bound you've given me. If you want to use a tighter bound you'll have to provide it.

Or is your only contention that Freighter ganking is fine because it's less isk/hr than ISBoxing carriers in blue doughnut space? Seems like a skewed comparison.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#548 - 2013-09-01 05:57:49 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Your numbers are wrong so no I wouldn't have gone with yours. The average freighter ganker will make less than running level 4 missions and nowhere near 2 billion an hour.


Certainly, but 60b/24hr is the only bound you've given me. If you want to use a tighter bound you'll have to provide it.

Or is your only contention that Freighter ganking is fine because it's less isk/hr than ISBoxing carriers in blue doughnut space? Seems like a skewed comparison.


He used ishtars.

I have yet to see anyone post any evidence that shows freighter ganking is out of control.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#549 - 2013-09-01 06:05:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
He used ishtars.


*shrug A filthy drone boat is a filthy drone boat.

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I have yet to see anyone post any evidence that shows freighter ganking is out of control.


Barge ganking wasn't particularly out of control before the revamp either.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#550 - 2013-09-01 06:14:24 UTC
Quote:


Barge ganking wasn't particularly out of control before the revamp either.


And CCP have admitted they got that one wrong. There is still no evidence pointing towards a problem with freighters.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#551 - 2013-09-01 06:39:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


Barge ganking wasn't particularly out of control before the revamp either.


And CCP have admitted they got that one wrong.


[citation needed]
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#552 - 2013-09-01 07:04:35 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


Barge ganking wasn't particularly out of control before the revamp either.


And CCP have admitted they got that one wrong.


[citation needed]


He has said it multiple times both in threads dotted around and in person.

CCP knows they got it wrong and will be rebalancing barges and exhumers along with EA frigates.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#553 - 2013-09-01 07:14:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

He has said it multiple times both in threads dotted around and in person.

CCP knows they got it wrong and will be rebalancing barges and exhumers along with EA frigates.

You're going to have to provide a quote to satisfy the pedant, and even then he'll tell you that black is white.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#554 - 2013-09-01 07:22:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

He has said it multiple times both in threads dotted around and in person.

CCP knows they got it wrong and will be rebalancing barges and exhumers along with EA frigates.

You're going to have to provide a quote to satisfy the pedant, and even then he'll tell you that black is white.


He'll have to wait then because this phone doesn't do quotes too well
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#555 - 2013-09-01 07:34:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I can however make my ? Go ¿.

I'm officially jelly Lol

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#556 - 2013-09-01 07:38:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I can however make my ? Go ¿.

I'm officially jelly Lol


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Dave stark
#557 - 2013-09-01 08:05:03 UTC
Skydell wrote:
- Can't remote repair a freighter. Hull tank and end of cycle repairs nullify it
yes you can, there's nothing that stops you using remote reps on a freighter.

comments like this are hilarious and illustrate why nobody takes you seriously.
Dave stark
#558 - 2013-09-01 08:14:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

He has said it multiple times both in threads dotted around and in person.

CCP knows they got it wrong and will be rebalancing barges and exhumers along with EA frigates.

You're going to have to provide a quote to satisfy the pedant, and even then he'll tell you that black is white.


He'll have to wait then because this phone doesn't do quotes too well
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#559 - 2013-09-01 08:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
My comments in this thread have nothing to do with crying about losing ships. I have never lost a freighter, and never owned one nor will I.

My comments are about an imbalanced system. A system in which players have found a way to negate the controls put in place in highsec, in which for a 2 million isk per pilot investment you can destroy a multi-billion isk investment of a person who is playing within the designed mechanics of the game, without any warning.

I am saying that when freighters were released, it required a 100 million + isk per pilot investment, but things have changed drastically and now only requires 5000% less to be invested.

That's a huge drop and an obvious imbalance.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#560 - 2013-09-01 08:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Infinity Ziona wrote:
My comments in this thread have nothing to do with crying about losing ships. I have never lost a freighter, and never owned one nor will I.

My comments are about an imbalanced system. A system in which players have found a way to negate the controls put in place in highsec, in which for a 2 million isk per pilot investment you can destroy a multi-billion isk investment of a person who is playing within the designed mechanics of the game, without any warning.

I am saying that when freighters were released, it required a 100 million + isk per pilot investment, but things have changed drastically and now only requires 5000% less to be invested.

That's a huge drop and an obvious imbalance.


Assuming your figure of 100 million per pilot is correct, which given your past posting is unlikely, 2 million isk is 2% of 100 million isk, ie a 98% drop in cost per pilot.

How does that work out to 5000%? Or are you just talking out of your arse again?

In before figurative, metaphorical, arbitrary and any other words that don't describe your bullshit.

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