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Adapt Freighter and Jump Freighter

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#381 - 2013-08-31 17:33:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Depends how kind the loot fairy is that day.


Just the average, please. Feel free to ballpark or include a range if that makes it easier.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#382 - 2013-08-31 17:34:36 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You might want to add sarcasm tags Domanique, S Byerley will take your post as proof that freighters die every 20 minutes, regardless of the facts.


Oh look

Your list of things to learn from this thread now consists of

  • the meaning of the word "average"
  • what a strawman argument is


I said that, while working, it's common to gank a freighter every 20 minutes on average. You're interpreting my position to mean that a freighter dies every 20 minutes.

If your definition of straw man varies from the above, perhaps you can grace me with a description.


If a freighter died every 20 minutes on average, then we'd be killing more than 30-45 per month by a huge amount. Earlier when I went through the killboard you referenced there was only 12 instances of freighters dying 18-25 minutes apart. All of the other kills made on the same day were hours apart. This does not make 20 minutes the average, not by a longshot.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#383 - 2013-08-31 17:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Dave Stark wrote:
if a freighter gets ganked every 20 mins on average that implies it is common. you're the one saying it's a 20 min average.


Are you having trouble grasping the concept of a local average? Again, not a great teacher. If it helps, this is how everyone does every isk/hr calculation ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#384 - 2013-08-31 17:37:46 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Depends how kind the loot fairy is that day.


Just the average, please. Feel free to ballpark or include a range if that makes it easier.


Less than running level 4 missions.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#385 - 2013-08-31 17:38:55 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if a freighter gets ganked every 20 mins on average that implies it is common. you're the one saying it's a 20 min average.


Are you having trouble grasping the concept of a local average? Again, not a great teacher. If it helps, this is how everyone does every isk/hr calculation ever.


He understands it perfectly well. It is you that does not.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#386 - 2013-08-31 17:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if it's common to gank a freighter every 20 mins, that means it's common for a freighter to die every 20 mins.

i don't think you understand how words work.


You're assuming that the practice is common (among other things). It's obviously not and as such you have made an ass of yourself, but fortunately not of me.


S Byerley wrote:
Because the downside of ganking in high sec is supposed to be the cost? Can you name another ship that has alt corporations dedicated to ganking one indiscriminately every ~20 minutes?
Right here you stated categorically that freighters get ganked every 20 minutes or so.

BTW the statement above is an example of a strawman, an accidental strawman, but a strawman nonetheless.

Who's the arse?

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#387 - 2013-08-31 17:42:49 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Right here you stated categorically that freighters get ganked every 20 minutes or so.


Sorry, you must have missed the bit where I clarified to mitigate your deliberate misinterpretation of context -

S Byerley wrote:
Bat Country averages 15-20minutes/freighter when they're actively doing it


Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Who's the arse?


Lots of asses; shall I list them?
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#388 - 2013-08-31 17:44:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Less than running level 4 missions.


You'll have to clarify; people claim anywhere from 20m to 200m/hr for level 4 missions.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#389 - 2013-08-31 17:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Would you like a link to the original post?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3553957#post3553957

The only edit was to remove the person you quoted, that is exactly what you posted.

Your later backpedalling is irrelevant, and didn't start until 2 pages later.

Please feel free to list arses, I'm a bit of a legs and arse man.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#390 - 2013-08-31 17:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Less than running level 4 missions.


You'll have to clarify; people claim anywhere from 20m to 200m/hr for level 4 missions.


Here's a ballpark figure for you. Asuming that 20 people are out ganking freighters for 8 hours a day for the last 365 days & around 2 trillion in loot has dropped, each would earn 34,246,575 isk per hour. However, since a significant portion of that isk goes towards ships & incentives to keep the SIG going it's more like 10m an hour per person. Then add in that for a year we were using Talos to gank & the figure drops to around 2m per hour. Ganking freighters isn't as profitable as people seem to think, but oh boy is it hilarious.

Less than the isk/hr of running level 4 missions (which earn 40m per hour per account at best).

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#391 - 2013-08-31 17:51:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The only edit was to remove the person you quoted, that is exactly what you posted.


Context only goes post deep, eh? I've had a consistent position across at least three of these threads. If the ambiguity of that particular post continues to bother you for lack of deeper understanding, I guess I can footnote it for clarity.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#392 - 2013-08-31 17:51:49 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Less than running level 4 missions.


You'll have to clarify; people claim anywhere from 20m to 200m/hr for level 4 missions.


Let me put it this way.

We got 3 billion in taxes in one day from one guy and his alts. Our tax is at 5%...


Anyone going with just one account will be splitting the isk with at least 15 other people so while freighter ganking is good money it doesn't pay as well as doing level 4 missions over the same time scale.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#393 - 2013-08-31 17:54:09 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Here's a ballpark figure for you. Asuming that 20 people are out ganking freighters for 8 hours a day for the last 365 days


This is an invalid assumption; please rework your calculation.

Quote:
level 4 missions (which earn 40m per hour per account at best).


Lol? Just no.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#394 - 2013-08-31 17:54:24 UTC
Ladies and gentleman, we are now at that sad point in a doomed thread where a bitter clinger attempts to deflect attention from some asinine thing he said earlier, by calling for others to offer proof of something utterly and completely unrelated to the actual matter at hand.

If this were a short play, we would be well into the third act.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#395 - 2013-08-31 17:55:45 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Here's a ballpark figure for you. Asuming that 20 people are out ganking freighters for 8 hours a day for the last 365 days


This is an invalid assumption; please rework your calculation.

Quote:
level 4 missions (which earn 40m per hour per account at best).


Lol? Just no.


I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#396 - 2013-08-31 17:57:59 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The only edit was to remove the person you quoted, that is exactly what you posted.


Context only goes post deep, eh? I've had a consistent position across at least three of these threads. If the ambiguity of that particular post continues to bother you for lack of deeper understanding, I guess I can footnote it for clarity.
You should have thought of that before sperging your crap on the forums. Context is important, so important that you should have actually clarified exactly what you meant at the time.

Your "context" started 2 pages later, when you'd already been called out on your ridiculous statement by numerous people who had checked the facts, something you neglected to do, and actually know what they're talking about.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#397 - 2013-08-31 18:00:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Domanique Altares wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Here's a ballpark figure for you. Asuming that 20 people are out ganking freighters for 8 hours a day for the last 365 days


This is an invalid assumption; please rework your calculation.

Quote:
level 4 missions (which earn 40m per hour per account at best).


Lol? Just no.


I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.

40m is trivial, I run 4's in a BC, I do my own looting and salvaging, use T1 ammo and am generally a lazy bastard about it. I still clear 40m+. It's possibly the only thing he's posted in this thread that is even remotely believable.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#398 - 2013-08-31 18:02:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Here's a ballpark figure for you. Asuming that 20 people are out ganking freighters for 8 hours a day for the last 365 days


This is an invalid assumption; please rework your calculation.

Quote:
level 4 missions (which earn 40m per hour per account at best).


Lol? Just no.


I actually agree. If you're only averaging 40mil per hour in level 4s, you suck at them and should stop doing them in favor of something else.

40m is trivial, I run 4's in a BC, I do my own looting and salvaging, use T1 ammo and am generally a lazy bastard about it. I still clear 40m+


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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#399 - 2013-08-31 18:03:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Come winter if plans don't change we are going to be earning ever more if you get a kronos.


You'll need a freighter to carry all your isk around. Just be sure and only fly it for 19 minutes at a time.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#400 - 2013-08-31 18:04:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Less than running level 4 missions.


You'll have to clarify; people claim anywhere from 20m to 200m/hr for level 4 missions.


Let me put it this way.

We got 3 billion in taxes in one day from one guy and his alts. Our tax is at 5%...

Anyone going with just one account will be splitting the isk with at least 15 other people so while freighter ganking is good money it doesn't pay as well as doing level 4 missions over the same time scale.


Uh... making the generous assumption that "one day" = 24hr:

3b*20/15/24 = 167m/hr

Domanique Altares wrote:
Ladies and gentleman, we are now at that sad point in a doomed thread where a bitter clinger attempts to deflect attention from some asinine thing he said earlier, by calling for others to offer proof of something utterly and completely unrelated to the actual matter at hand.

If this were a short play, we would be well into the third act.


You've somehow mistaken malleability for desperation. I have no invested interest and as such will work with whatever bizarre direction people feel like taking the thread in. However, I honestly fail to see how asking someone politely how much he makes ganking freighters is either calling for proof or unrelated to Freighter balance.