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Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#181 - 2013-08-31 12:49:21 UTC 1 Infinity Ziona wrote: They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers.

Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

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#182 - 2013-08-31 12:50:49 UTC | Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein

Mallak Azaria wrote:

He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.

This is the quality of your renters? You guys are slipping Straight

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol

they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers.

Best of all Concord won't turn up and instawtfbbqpwn you for doing so, because lowsec/nullsec/whspace.

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Skydell

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#183 - 2013-08-31 12:51:49 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Skydell wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.

And they can do it again.
Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore.

Tell me, do you believe what you're posting or are you trolling?

I know what I am posting.
You might not like what I am posting but everything I am posting is tested fact.

I ran logi on a freighter being ganked. Bugshit on a bumper. It's hull tanked
I did web runs on a freighter and stared at the cool down timers,
I know you don't need a capital skill and can only skill Agi to limited amounts on a freighter

I know what I am talking about and you can kiss my ass. I'm right.

Infinity Ziona

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#184 - 2013-08-31 12:53:05 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol

they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers.

Lol only their millions of EHP.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Mallak Azaria

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#185 - 2013-08-31 12:53:22 UTC

Skydell wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Or you could get your buddy to double web you instead.

Another Goon shitpost.

fleet and corp web creates a suspect flag so you need to sit on a gate with a timer, every gate and hold cloak in the forward system to run web ops now.

Current freighter defense is to pray.

Fleet web will get you concorded. Corp web will give you a 60 second weapons timer which is fine since freighter warp times are really slow anyway. If out of corp, invite to duel. Apparently giving people the correct information is shitposting.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.

Dave Stark

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#186 - 2013-08-31 12:53:48 UTC

Skydell wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Skydell wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.

And they can do it again.
Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore.

Tell me, do you believe what you're posting or are you trolling?

really? so a freighter that can carry over 800k m3 of cargo isn't doing it's job as a hauler now?

well, damn. i never knew.

Dave Stark

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#187 - 2013-08-31 12:54:44 UTC

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol

they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers.

Lol only their millions of EHP.

remind me how the EHP value of a ship prevents it being shot at. I seem to be unfamiliar with that game mechanic.


Mallak Azaria Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 6,614	#188 - 2013-08-31 12:55:26 UTC Skydell wrote: I know what I am talking about and you can kiss my ass. I'm right. No you don't, going by the information you've supplied. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.

Mallak Azaria

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#189 - 2013-08-31 12:57:26 UTC

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.

This is the quality of your renters? You guys are slipping Straight

NCdot renters. I don't think there's a rule on whether our renters will be allowed to post.

Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

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#190 - 2013-08-31 12:58:56 UTC | Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

He's a renter, they don't really know what's going on.

This is the quality of your renters? You guys are slipping Straight

NCdot renters. I don't think there's a rule on whether our renters will be allowed to post.

I apologise for casting aspersions on the quality of your potential renters.

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#191 - 2013-08-31 13:00:20 UTC

Skydell wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

They already did that in the first place to prevent freighters from hauling them in the first time.

And they can do it again.
Freighters are used to pad killboard ISK values. They don't do their job anymore.

Because a green killboard makes you awesome, just ask -a-

Infinity Ziona

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#192 - 2013-08-31 13:00:58 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol

they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers.

Lol only their millions of EHP.

remind me how the EHP value of a ship prevents it being shot at. I seem to be unfamiliar with that game mechanic.

I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Mallak Azaria

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#193 - 2013-08-31 13:04:50 UTC

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

They should make carriers blappable by a small gang of dessies. Thatd balance it up a bit. Imagine the tears lol

they are. there's nothing stopping destroyers shooting carriers.

Lol only their millions of EHP.

remind me how the EHP value of a ship prevents it being shot at. I seem to be unfamiliar with that game mechanic.

I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.

With enough destroyers anything is possible. There is a difference between Freighters & carriers though. One is designed for combat, the other is not.

Jonah Gravenstein

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#194 - 2013-08-31 13:05:05 UTC

Infinity Ziona wrote:

I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.

Anything is blappable, it just needs you to do the math and bring the appropriate numbers and firepower to do so, it's as true for freighters as it is for carriers, or any other ship for that matter.

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Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#195 - 2013-08-31 13:05:36 UTC 1 Infinity Ziona wrote: I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps. i fail to see how reducing the tank of other capital ships is relevant to the discussion?

Mallak Azaria

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#196 - 2013-08-31 13:11:30 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.

i fail to see how reducing the tank of other capital ships is relevant to the discussion?

It isn't. People do that when you continually refute their statements.

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Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 5,312	#197 - 2013-08-31 13:19:12 UTC \| Edited by: Solstice Project 1 Dave Stark wrote: hint; ccp have never protected dumb people Mining barge buff?

Jonah Gravenstein

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#198 - 2013-08-31 13:19:45 UTC | Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein

Addendum to my previous post.

quick back of envelope calculation (all skills at V)
Thanatos : Approx 1,200,000 EHP including resists
Time allowable for kill : 60 seconds
T2 Gank Catalyst DPS (inc overload) : Approx 685
Overheated armour repairers give 4150 repair amount per second before you start eating buffer

685 dps*60 seconds=41,100 damage
4150 repair amount*60 seconds=249,000 extra hit points

1,200,000 ehp+249,000 repair hitpoints/41,100 damage=35.25

36 Catalysts under ideal conditions should be able to take down a PvE Thanatos in circa 60 seconds. As it's unreasonable to expect overloaded guns to last 60 seconds, call it 42 Catalysts.

Mallak Azaria or Tippia, I'd appreciate it if you could check my math. I could be well out.

edit- included the repair amounts

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#199 - 2013-08-31 13:20:56 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Infinity Ziona wrote:

I said blappable, as in destroyable in less than a minute like freighters which are also caps.

i fail to see how reducing the tank of other capital ships is relevant to the discussion?

It isn't. People do that when you continually refute their statements.

It's more that he mistakenly applies an absolute timeframe rather than a relative one that takes context into account.

A carrier in low or nullsec is easy to kill before backup arrives and kills you right back. If backup arrives early or is already in place, you will suddenly have a much harder time.
A freighter in highsec is easy to kill before backup arrives and kills you right back. If backup arrives early or is already in place, you will suddenly have a much harder time.

Both are balanced properly in relation to their respective surroundings.

If carriers were designed to go into highsec, they'd be made a lot weaker so it was still possible to kill them easily before backup arrived. Conversely, if CONCORD was made slower, it would allow highsec-capable ships to gain more EHP, but it would still be possible to kill them easily before backup arrived.


Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#200 - 2013-08-31 13:21:17 UTC 1 Solstice Project wrote: Dave Stark wrote: hint; ccp have never protected dumb people Mining barge buff? first efforts at rebalancing ships. it went wrong. ccp fozzie said in his tmc interview that he wants to go back and do them again. that wasn't CCP pandering to the dumb, that was CCP trying to rebalance ships and getting it wrong.

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