Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because of all the small Ship buffs, Freighter and Jump freighter become really easy to gank in the High Sec.
Normally just say, dont carrie that much in a Freighter or Jumpfreighter but that is not the reason for beeing ganked, its just because its so easy. The Price of a Rhea for example is around 6.5 Billions and has around 300k EHP with Jump Freighter Skill Level 5.
17 Brutix kill this Ship without any risk worth around 1 Billion.
Even 25 Catalysts can destroy a Jump freighter in 0.5 Systems (around 560 DPS for 25 Seconds -> 14k+ Dmg *25 = 350k Dmg).
The Price of one Catalyst is around 12 mio full fittet (t2 with dmg rigs). So you have around 300 million loss for a guranteered Jump Freighter Kill a normal Freighter has less than 200k EHP and will be killed more easier.

Additional every ******* ISBoxer user can build up his own ganking squad like nothing. This combination was seen for example in 1.0 Systems with around 20 tornados between Jita and Amarr. Yes it was an ISBoxer, he was really stupid so he tried to smack in local and every of his alts did the same at the same second.

Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec. They should still be killable by suizid gankers, but it must be in a way that the costs to gank these Ships must be the same than the costs of the ganked ship itself.

Bring logi.

remind me again how it's unfair to freighter pilots that it requires over 15 pilots to kill 1 ship?

ok you dont get it, no problem i explain it again, also for the really slow thinking people like you.

This is not about a fight, this is about SUIZID gankers. There will be no Fight or something like that. There is even not a fault of the Freighter Pilot necessary like jumping into low sec or undocking during war. And of Course you dont need 15 Pilots, just one Player with ISBoxer will kill you and you dont have even the Chance to do anything. You cant warp away, you cant fit tank, you cant scout ( they bump you until their gank squad logged in) There is absolute nothing you can do about.

Tell this guy your story, guess he needs to know:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19440276

Yeah they need to be able to fit a tank. Give them fitting abilty. Its pretty stupid an orca can be fit to have 3 times the HP of a freighter.

You'll get a lot of idiots coming into this thread saying theres no problem but they make a living off ganking freighters so theyre biased. You'll also get people who are fanboys of the latter but neither will have a reasonable or sustainable argument so likely you'll get flamed.

I don't gank nor use freighters and its clear to me that when freighters were introduced without fitting it took a sizeable battleship force to kill one. Things have changed a lot and freighters need a rethink.

You can scout it, you can have a friend or alt web your freighter, & your giant cargohold with an engine strapped to it is the inherent tank. You can do many things to mitigate the risk of a successful suicide gank being performed, you just choose not to. You choose to be a victim.

Another good question for you, try to answer this one: If using ISboxer to scan a freighter, bump it, suicide gank it with 15 accounts then loot it with another freighter is so easy, why is literally no one doing this?

If CCP gave freighters the ability to fit a tank, people would fit cargohold expanders instead. This would also mean freighters base cargohold would have to be heavily nerfed to account for that. In the end, the only viable fitting option would be to fit cargohold mods. For anything else you would just use an Orca.

I'd invest heavily in this.

One might rightly question what the hold of a freighter is supposed be filled with when they're still profitable to gank loaded with trit.

Why do they need to be able to fit a tank? The real world equivalent of a freighter would be something like a bulk oil carrier, which like a freighter can't fit a tank, can be overcome by a smaller force (see Somalian pirates) and can have it's direction of travel affected by smaller vessels, known as tugs.

An Orca is more of a multipurpose vessel, while primarily an industrial logistics platform, unlike a freighter it can be used for multiple purposes. An Orca can sacrifice cargo space to fit a tank, a lot of Orca pilots don't bother though and go for max cargo, those *all Orcas are as easy if not easier to kill than a freighter.

*edit, turns out a properly tanked Orca requires the same amount of ships to kill as a jump freighter, it can't pack 3 x the EHP