EVE General Discussion

Not in the least! As some of the more vocal PVE only folks like to trumpet, "It's my sub when you start paying for it then you can tell me what to do".

Your premise is flawed anyway. Anyone who makes sport of deccing "industry" corps knows about the "erryone stay docked they'll just go away" tactic. Just encourages us to keep the dec going as long as possible.

You get a lot more street cred coming out and fighting, even if you don't succeed. Some of us have even been known to drop a dec when asked, if said corp cowboys up and heads out to fight.

Are you, perhaps, completely incapable of understanding the motivation behind it? Firstly, if the target doesn't fight, there's not much time lost (unless you consider clicking locator agents to be significant time), and secondly for the kind of person who does it for fun it's pretty cheap.

Oh...

And it's hard to underestimate "indy corps". I once randomly wardecced a corp I saw putting up recruitment ad cans(words cannot describe how much I hate that), and recieved an evemail the next morning from not one, but two people telling me that "people like me" are the reason they were quitting eve.

So, like I said, it's quite the task to actually underestimate them. Hard to dig deeper than rock bottom.

No, I am saying that Lady Areola Fappington's statement that she will toss them a "gf" in local and leave them alone (with some respect for their backbone) is not something that you can refute as you tried to.



Whether you put salt, pepper, or Mrs. Dash on that meat, it's still a chicken.

Here, S Byerley, I'll give you the exact thought processes behind each of these scenarios. I can't make it any more clear.


Indy corp docks up, clams up:
Hah, this is going to be easy. All it took was one wardec to stop them in their tracks. I got enough ISK in the fund to keep this going for months, I wonder when one of them will grow a pair and peek out. Hey other guys in my corp, all you gotta do is park a cloaky in system here to freeze the wardecced corp up. Someone get a spy in so we can laugh at all the raging in corpchat.


Indy corp grows a pair, and comes out to fight.
Hmm, looks like these guys wanna play. Caught me with my pants down, I was in the middle of smack talking, lost my cruiser. Hey other guys in my corp come over to this system these guys are gonna throw down. Yo, Bob X Target, next time you fit that rifter, try a brawler fit with ACs. (Week later) Hey you target guys are fun. You want to fight another week, or get back to your indy thing?



I respect the indy guys who're willing to fight back. I laugh at the tears generated by the indy guys who hide in-station and rage about how unfair it is. Either way, I'm getting my kicks out of the deal.


And, just to toss in here, which of these sounds more fun? "Hey guys we've been wardecced. Everyone dock up, and stay docked. Don't interact with the deccers. Maybe if we're really quiet they'll go away." vs. "Hey guys we're wardecced. Everyone jump in whatever you can afford to lose. We're bringing the fight to THEM, and be-damned with the losses!"

You keep it going until they do, or until they disband.

Is this really so hard?

They cry and rage. They always do. I've been at this in one form or another for quite a few years, and it never fails.

Even if they don't say a word, you know you're getting under their skin, disrupting operations, and causing a bother. The neverending threads on how horrible and bad wardecs and ganking is proof enough of that.


I'll let you in on a small secret. I run a moderately successful mining and industry corp on my alt account. We live in high. We've been decced by all the usual suspects....in fact, I think Mr. Kane may have turned his attention to us once in the past. My standing SOP for warops has been "See a WT, go get in a combat ship, and hunt them. Don't care about loss."

My corpmates adore it. Our killboards went past infrared a long time ago. The running gag in corp chat is "WT in local, gonna go lose me a ship!" Yet, somehow, we've survived...not only that, grown. We've had a few "Griefer corps" give us props for shooting back. Sure as hell beats "We're decced, everyone dock up, no fun allowed."


No I'm not going to tell you who my indy corp is. You can try to find us if you like though. We like shooting spaceships in the spaceship shooting game.

They always rage because even when they don't rage they're raging?

Keep thinking that.

A partial solution to the highsec ganking issue would be to make characters on trial accounts unable to initiate aggression against other player characters in highsec. "Concord regrets to inform you that this action is prohibited under the terms of your probationary pilot license"

As things currently stand, there is nothing stopping me from having a string of 5-6 trial accounts all simultaneously training the basic skills needed to fly a suicide gank Catalyst. Once that character's sec status drops below a level where they can function, discard him and peel the next one off the stack. There isn't even any need to biomass them, as you simply let the trial run out and abandon it. These accounts cost me nothing beyond the time needed to set them up, and as long as I don't do anything stupid such as contracting hulls or skillbooks to them, are completely untraceable to me.

Of course, if you have subbed an account to do this or are taking time out from training your main, then as far as I'm concerned you have the right to do whatever is allowed by the EULA, no matter how morally dubious. You are paying (or getting someone else to pay) for game time with real-world currency, and should be rewarded accordingly. Trial accounts are not paid for, and it seems reasonable to me that they should be limited in such a way as they can no longer be used as disposable anonymous suicide alts.

With regard to this being too restrictive to potential new players, this prohibition should only apply to people initiating aggression, so shooting somebody who is already flashy or a wartarget would be allowed. Also, there would be nothing stopping them from joining FW and/or shooting up lowsec.

I dunno why I like this post so much - I'm a high-sec industrial player :D - but I'll be damned... maybe I'm repressing my inner pirate?

Probably not but ... slowclaps for you