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EVE - Without Large Alliances

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Menian Galvon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-30 14:40:34 UTC
Came to my thoughts one day.....

What if these new changes to null are to make it much harder for alliances to get huge and bloated. To prevent alliances from owning vast areas of space. Allowing more smaller alliances and corporations to flock into null and claim their own space. Causing more PVP, but in smaller fleets. Less boring 3000 man fights, more 100 man fights. When there is more competition there can be more fun. If all the renters just went up in arms one day, the owners wouldn't be able to support their vast empire and would crumble.

Just my thoughts... curious if anybody else thought this....

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-08-30 14:45:35 UTC
Any change favouring smaller entities would just lead to the bigger ones
breaking up to keep ruling over everything.

Nothing would change.
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#3 - 2013-08-30 14:47:41 UTC
It would just go back to the days before the actual game mechanic was put in, and people rolled around null sec with their alliance affiliation in their bios.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2013-08-30 14:50:36 UTC
Food for thought: what's the difference between a "blue donut" composed of a few large alliances, and a "blue donut" composed of a lot of a few large confederacies of small alliances?

Pun intended.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#5 - 2013-08-30 15:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Food for thought: what's the difference between a "blue donut" composed of a few large alliances, and a "blue donut" composed of a lot of a few large confederacies of small alliances?

Pun intended.


Your lack of faith in the new null without OP tech moons disturbs me. What?

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#6 - 2013-08-30 15:11:39 UTC
I believe a citation of Malcanis' law is necessary here..
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2013-08-30 15:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Your lack of faith for the new null without OP tech moons disturbs me. What?

No idea what effect nullsec rebalances will have, and I am not even expressing my opinion on the nullsec situation (whether it's a donut, bagel, or croissant, blue or otherwise). I was just putting out the idea that simply "removing" or "not allowing" large alliances is unlikely to do much.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-08-30 15:29:10 UTC
OP, you display unintentional ignorance about the fact that a label
has nothing to do with the people who gather behind that label.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-08-30 15:56:36 UTC
So you want to penalise those with the ability to get thousands of people to work together under one alliance because you're unable to convince people to form under your banner?

Doesn't seem like that's making a fair playing field, sounds more like pandering to the lowest common denominator.

There's also the fact that, say, goonswarm for example were an "alliance" before they even started the game. Given they all came over from somethingaweful.com

Similar goes for Test

There are a few groups where they're just communities who have come to the game at the same time on mass.

Hell, look at how some of the Russians play. I've seen fleets of Russians where they're all in different alliances and corps, even NPC corps all together in well organised fleets.

So, I'm not entirely sure how you'd manage to stop those well organised people gathering together in larger groups.
Especially with things like jabber etc.

Just because you can't doesn't mean others should be able to.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-08-30 15:59:57 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
Came to my thoughts one day.....

What if these new changes to null are to make it much harder for alliances to get huge and bloated. To prevent alliances from owning vast areas of space. Allowing more smaller alliances and corporations to flock into null and claim their own space. Causing more PVP, but in smaller fleets. Less boring 3000 man fights, more 100 man fights. When there is more competition there can be more fun. If all the renters just went up in arms one day, the owners wouldn't be able to support their vast empire and would crumble.

Just my thoughts... curious if anybody else thought this....


common nullbears would get a heart attack because of all the action, we have to pay attention with this

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#11 - 2013-08-30 16:01:52 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
Came to my thoughts one day.....

What if these new changes to null are to make it much harder for alliances to get huge and bloated. To prevent alliances from owning vast areas of space. Allowing more smaller alliances and corporations to flock into null and claim their own space. Causing more PVP, but in smaller fleets. Less boring 3000 man fights, more 100 man fights. When there is more competition there can be more fun. If all the renters just went up in arms one day, the owners wouldn't be able to support their vast empire and would crumble.

Just my thoughts... curious if anybody else thought this....

Even if you could only have a maximum of 50 people in a sov holding alliance, we'd simply form up as a coalition of 200 alliances working together. The blue donut cannot be stopped.

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-08-30 16:19:32 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
common nullbears would get a heart attack because of all the action, we have to pay attention with this


How much action are you getting sitting in your cloaked, warp stab fitted bomber in I30-3A right now getting trolled by CFC members?

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#13 - 2013-08-30 16:27:22 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
common nullbears would get a heart attack because of all the action, we have to pay attention with this


How much action are you getting sitting in your cloaked, warp stab fitted bomber in I30-3A right now getting trolled by CFC members?


He might kill 2-3 cynos in about 6 hours of playing, I guess thats worth his entertainment dollar
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-08-30 16:28:01 UTC
Did I miss something?
What are these new changes everybody here is talking about?
I didn't find anything related to nullsec in devblogs or F&I..

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-08-30 16:34:32 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Did I miss something?
What are these new changes everybody here is talking about?
I didn't find anything related to nullsec in devblogs or F&I..


Nothing that's going to affect your lowsec alliance.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2013-08-30 16:34:35 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Did I miss something?
What are these new changes everybody here is talking about?
I didn't find anything related to nullsec in devblogs or F&I..

Belated discussion related to the moon goo reseeding and alchemy changes in Odyssey 1.0... I think.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#17 - 2013-08-30 16:36:13 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Did I miss something?
What are these new changes everybody here is talking about?
I didn't find anything related to nullsec in devblogs or F&I..


http://evenews24.com/2013/08/21/fiddlers-edge-carebear-empires/

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-08-30 16:40:17 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
... If all the renters just went up in arms one day, the owners wouldn't be able to support their vast empire and would crumble.

Just my thoughts... curious if anybody else thought this....
That doesn't really make a lot of sense.

The last big war, which expanded a large Alliance's holdings, was because of a reduction in an income source. Logic would indicates that another loss in income would lead to further expansion (capture of more moons). The result is not a crumbling of empire but expansion to maintain it.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-08-30 16:43:47 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
Less boring 3000 man fights.


Boring for you. Not boring for many others.
DRGaius Baltar
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-30 17:29:46 UTC
Menian Galvon wrote:
Came to my thoughts one day.....

What if these new changes to null are to make it much harder for alliances to get huge and bloated. To prevent alliances from owning vast areas of space. Allowing more smaller alliances and corporations to flock into null and claim their own space. Causing more PVP, but in smaller fleets. Less boring 3000 man fights, more 100 man fights. When there is more competition there can be more fun. If all the renters just went up in arms one day, the owners wouldn't be able to support their vast empire and would crumble.

Just my thoughts... curious if anybody else thought this....


The would just follow the old mechanics when EVE didn't have alliances. I take it your new to these parts. The small guy can exists in 0.0 its called paying rent or making friends. If you are are unwilling to work for it then yiu always have lvl 4's.
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