EVE General Discussion

*lol*
Most new people have no clue about how they want to play the game.
Most get influenced in doing what they are told to do.

Edit: Getting pushed into playing solo in Eve IS ridiculous.
If they WANT to play alone then they can do so,
but then they'll have a bad awakening once others play the game the way it works.
Together or against each other.


Also, regarding the crap above...

All skills cap at V.
There is no "max skilled player" in Eve.
If a noob bu y s a toon from 2003 he will still lose
against a week old noob who knows what he's doing.

Back on topic, revitalising missions is a waste of time.

Ooook… top tip: if you want to make an impression and have your ideas taken seriously, start by having an above-zero accuracy in your claims.

• Loot goes up and down in value as the market dictates. If loot value has gone down, it's because more people are running missions, which indicates that missions are better than ever.
• The chances of getting faction drops is the same in highsec as everywhere else.
• There are tons of benefits for grinding standings.
• The epic arcs have been touched since 06 due to the simple fact that that they were released in '09… and they've been updated numerous times since then.
• Risk-reward is not a poor concept. It's in fact a very good concept for balancing income. That's why incursions are a lot riskier than L4s (as shown by he outright slaughter of unaware mission-runners who tried them in the early days).
• If you want to PvP, go to where the targets are — highsec is just as much a PvP arena as all other parts of space.
• The reason there are predators in highsec is because that's where the shiny ships are.

Yes, this game is a sandbox, but more than that, it's a multiplayer sandbox. Multiplayer sandbox does not mean that you can do what you want — it means everyone can do what they want, which includes them doing things (to you) that you don't want them to do. From a design standpoint, it also means that static content such as missions is pretty unimportant and that what really matters is to provide tools for the players to create their own content.

The reason very little effort goes into missions is because it's not really a worth-while investments. PvE content almost never is, because it's a consumable kind of content. Incursions are a perfect example of this: everyone flocked to them early on, but once they had tried them and figured them out — once the content had been consumed — the drop-off rate was enormous. Like all such content, it created a very brief but ultimately totally ineffective bump in interest and then just made more people leave. On top of this, creating this kind of one-shot content costs a lot, which means it's a highly questionable use of developer time. They simply do not offer any of the tools that constitute proper content for a sandbox-style game.

Instead, missions in EVE serve pretty much only one purpose: to inject ISK into the economy. Until CCP sees a good reason to adjust how much ISK is being injected, don't count on missions changing much.

All that said, what role do you feel you're being forced into? In what way have CCP nerfed missions and mission content?

Well the idea I proposed wasn't so much a revitalisation, but more of a modification to the current system which probably wouldn't require an immense amount of effort to implement and would encourage more player interaction. I feel any effort required to revitalise missions for the solo player could be better spent on projects which improve the overall quality of the gameplay experience.

If missions were modified in a way that they could incorporate PvP and player interaction, that would be a worthwhile change but I feel it would also be a very time consuming process and probably very difficult to implement successfully.

A sandbox means that you're free to try and play as you want, it also means that other players are free to try and stop you from doing so, because that's the way they want to play.

Plenty, there's a skill cap on each ship and weapon class, a maxxed 2006 PvP pilot in a cruiser or BC for example, is probably using at most 10% of his available skillpoints, because the rest are irrelevant to the ship and weapons he's using. Where he does have an advantage, is his experience and knowledge of game mechanics, and exactly what the ship is and is not capable of doing.

SP is not that important, experience and knowledge are, it's the same for the ships, what you do with them is more important than the ships themselves.

"griefers" as you call them aren't wrong tho: low-sec is a deathtrap for new unprepared player. Only after you got some game experience you can do something there. And reason is what? Yes, players. Not "griefers" but real low-sec "badasses".

And here is the reason why low-sec missions don't attract high-sec mission runners. And reason why rewards won't help.

You're such a brave and mighty forum warrior ...

lol again Solsice, really go find something better to do than beef in this thread. Tippia made the best post in here. If we start from there perhapts we can move along in here.

Because they're the same skills.

Training mining skills is nothing like training PvP skills....Unless of course your T2 strip miner is your favourite weapon in PvP, and those T2 mining crystal skills really work well in PvP too.