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Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-08-30 07:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!


The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards!

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#2 - 2013-08-30 07:09:06 UTC
This won't take off...not on a large scale anyway. I'm sure some groups will try, but even with better range they still won't out-dps a pirate fleet.

There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.

thhief ghabmoef
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-08-30 07:16:10 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
This won't take off...not on a large scale anyway. I'm sure some groups will try, but even with better range they still won't out-dps a pirate fleet.

There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.


Blaster Kronos anyone?

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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#4 - 2013-08-30 07:33:39 UTC
Still trying to figure out if a Mini Dread can stay alive with only local reps for 80 seconds, under a full room of aggro.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-08-30 07:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Goldiiee wrote:
Still trying to figure out if a Mini Dread can stay alive with only local reps for 80 seconds, under a full room of aggro.


3580 DPS from OTAs (1800 of that is tamas which would die quickly...)

A Gist-XType X-Large Shield vargur with 2 pith B invulns, a pith B amp, and a damage control. Tops out at 1611 stable tank x 10% for the local rep boost X 2 for the bastion bonus.
That's like what, 3689 tank after patch (and that's not even including the resistance bonus or an off-grid booster)

Now take into account that DPS is going to be remove rather quickly, and you've got your solo incursions :)

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Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#6 - 2013-08-30 08:56:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:

There's also the issue of getting enough people who can fly marauders.


A lot of armor pilots can fly them(I got multiple marauder 5 pilots and fly my Paladin nearly every day), because Kronos and Paladin actually are pretty good ships for Incs atm.

The changes make all of them more or less useless for Incs(to slow for HQ in contests, can't be RRed while in bastion mode, no web bonuses for VGs any more). I don't think throwing away 4-5 slots on every hull for active tanking will improve site times, compared to using them for painters, sensor boosters and webs and use 1-2 logis that can add another 5-10 tracking links to the gang.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#7 - 2013-08-30 13:22:02 UTC
Jill Antaris wrote:

The changes make all of them more or less useless for Incs(to slow for HQ in contests, can't be RRed while in bastion mode, no web bonuses for VGs any more). I don't think throwing away 4-5 slots on every hull for active tanking will improve site times, compared to using them for painters, sensor boosters and webs and use 1-2 logis that can add another 5-10 tracking links to the gang.


This.

Not today spaghetti.
Ariel Dawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-30 13:37:24 UTC
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#9 - 2013-08-30 14:08:00 UTC
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-08-30 15:23:06 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.


Bastion gives complete ECM immunity.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-30 15:28:48 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.


What I see is a vanguard fleet that runs 24/7 full of marauders, where it doesn't matter how many people are in the fleet, you can just jump in and out with an open fleet advert. No drama :)

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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#12 - 2013-08-30 16:10:42 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.


What I see is a vanguard fleet that runs 24/7 full of marauders, where it doesn't matter how many people are in the fleet, you can just jump in and out with an open fleet advert. No drama :)


Would be kind of ironic, since the people that actually run a full marauder setup for VGs today will most likely drop the fleet doctrine, with the removal of 90% webs.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#13 - 2013-08-30 16:37:03 UTC
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.


Bastion gives complete ECM immunity.

I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Kithran
#14 - 2013-08-30 17:32:35 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.


Bastion gives complete ECM immunity.

I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.


It should work.

ECCM works by increasing your sensor strength however incursion rats increase their jamming strength each time they fail to jam.

If the EWar immunity is like other ewar immunity it completely prevents jams - even if you had 5000 ec-300s on you you still couldn't get jammed whereas if it just worked like eccm you would find the ec-300 swarm could jam supposedly immune ships.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#15 - 2013-08-30 17:34:23 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.

ECCM is not the same as EWar immunity. If EWar immunity doesn't prevent ECM, that's a massive case of false advertisement.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-08-30 17:45:06 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Ariel Dawn wrote:
With the possible 8k+ DPS tank that you can reach on the Vargur or Golem, will it be possible to solo incursion sites?

No, still going to need another ship to counter the ECM, and the sites don't pay for solo. Not to mention the fact that a 1800dps Vindi takes a few minutes to kill one ship, so a spawn of 10 ships X 3 spawns ??? you get the idea.


Bastion gives complete ECM immunity.

I haven't tried it in quite awhile but ECCM witch was supposed to counter ECM failed to protect against incursion rats, hopefully the Marauder will not have this problem. But still won't get paid unless you have 7 friends wanting to 'Solo' the site as well.


5 friends, it would limit your site times to multiples of 1 minute though xD

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#17 - 2013-08-30 17:50:04 UTC
IsBoxers farming heavens welcome to eve online!

We missed you badly...

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-08-30 17:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
IsBoxers farming heavens welcome to eve online!

We missed you badly...


Buy up those marauder pilots while you can :)

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Gareth Burns
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-08-30 18:13:16 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!


The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards!


I would bring a couple Marauder Pilots in on something like this...

But not for someone named "The Secret Pony-Brigade"

Why would I ever do that... EVER

Noblesse Oblige ► Gareth Burns
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-08-30 18:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Gareth Burns wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
ALL HAIL TO THE VARGUR KINGS!!!


The secret pony-brigade is now recruiting all mini-dread (marauder) pilots for mini-dread vanguards!


I would bring a couple Marauder Pilots in on something like this...

But not for someone named "The Secret Pony-Brigade"

Why would I ever do that... EVER


Haters gonna hate

Believe it or not most real players don't refer to incursion runners as carebears, they refer to them as ponies. ;)

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