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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#21 - 2013-08-30 14:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Jenn aSide wrote:
CCP seems smart enough to take good advice and ignore all the rest of the noise.

This right here.^

That's a rare ability: The ability to sift wheat from the chaff. Escpecially since EVE players are rather prone to chafing and chaffing at very high volumes. Blink
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#22 - 2013-08-30 14:08:48 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete?
Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Shocked


Expansions in a sandbox are about giving you a better quality of sand to work with, both by sifting out the cat turds and changing the way it sticks together when worked.
Expansions in a themepark are about putting in new rides.


Keep expecting themepark expansions in a sandbox game, and you'll keep being disappointed.


I think this sums it up perfectly.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#23 - 2013-08-30 14:20:43 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete?
Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Shocked


Expansions in a sandbox are about giving you a better quality of sand to work with, both by sifting out the cat turds and changing the way it sticks together when worked.
Expansions in a themepark are about putting in new rides.


Keep expecting themepark expansions in a sandbox game, and you'll keep being disappointed.


I think this sums it up perfectly.


Yes it does. Fixing stuff (which creates new opportunities) is a million times better than CCP putting in 1 or 2 "jesus features" that no one will use much after the shininess wears off and calling it an expansion.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-08-30 16:54:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 Big smile



So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete?
Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Shocked




rebalance gives lots and lots of content , look around you , check the killboards

edit: spoiled brats


Why, were people not being killed before the re-balance?


tey where , by drakes....

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#25 - 2013-08-30 16:59:11 UTC
balanceing industry ships sighs, what a waste of time. and effort.Shocked
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#26 - 2013-08-30 17:11:51 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 Big smile



So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete?
Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Shocked





*sigh* We're so easy to please...... But in all fairness, I don't think Odyssey 1.1 is an expansion. It's an update (a really big one), not an expansion. I believe if it were an expansion, it would have it's own name. Like "Morass 1.0", then the update would be something like "Morass 1.1"


He was referring to the "expansions" of the past several years, not 1.1 patch.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#27 - 2013-08-30 18:22:39 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't.


Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? Shocked

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#28 - 2013-08-30 18:24:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Yes it does. Fixing stuff (which creates new opportunities) is a million times better than CCP putting in 1 or 2 "jesus features" that no one will use much after the shininess wears off and calling it an expansion.


TBH I quite liked the v3 graphics and later the Apochrypha features beginning with WHs and ending with T3 ships.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#29 - 2013-08-30 18:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't.


Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? Shocked


They didn't. When people are talking about null they mostly mean SOV null as opposed to the other sections of null (npc null and wormholes and yea, wormholes are null sec lol).

SOV null has a definite cap on how many players it could support. Same with wormholes.

High sec, low sec and NPC null have no cap because of missions.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#30 - 2013-08-30 18:51:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't.


Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? Shocked


They didn't. When people are talking about null they mostly mean SOV null as opposed to the other sections of null (npc null and wormholes and yea, wormholes are null sec lol).

SOV null has a definite cap on how many players it could support. Same with wormholes. High sec, low sec and NPC null haven't no cap because of missions.


Wormholes are truesec.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#31 - 2013-08-30 19:16:13 UTC
I guess nobody asked about better missions and new content for high-sec for like 2 years.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#32 - 2013-08-30 20:08:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

I believe most people realize it's not on an individual basis, but as you scale up more players. HS can take an infinite amount of players, because there's no cap on level 4 missions that are handed out. NS can't.


Did I miss the memo? When did they make null sec L4 missions players capped? Shocked


They didn't. When people are talking about null they mostly mean SOV null as opposed to the other sections of null (npc null and wormholes and yea, wormholes are null sec lol).

SOV null has a definite cap on how many players it could support. Same with wormholes.

High sec, low sec and NPC null have no cap because of missions.


Well they can't compare apples with oranges. L4 in hi sec corresponds with L4 in low and null.
Anoms in hi sec correspond with anoms in low and null.

Guess how many players hi sec anoms support compared to low and null? Does not sound so much grand any more right?
And I am not even talking about the sov spawned stuff, that it's just unavailable in hi sec at all.

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Prince Kobol
#33 - 2013-08-30 20:10:15 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
With the new patch coming up, Odyssey 1.1, I really have the idea that suggestions/ideas from players were taken in serious consideration by you, CCP. And I'd like to give you props for that! It makes me a happy man that propositions made by us players aren't simply a waste of time (a feeling I did have in the past). Good work, CCP! I can't wait for 03/09/2013 Big smile



So you're excited about a rebalance that has been going on for two years, and is still not complete?
Meanwhile, they continue to call fixing all the broken mechanics an "expansion"..... Shocked




rebalance gives lots and lots of content , look around you , check the killboards

edit: spoiled brats


Why, were people not being killed before the re-balance?


tey where , by drakes....


Yes, because no other ships were used.... ever

Also there were no big wars either
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-08-30 21:35:26 UTC
nah , been in several big wars myself , this cfc/n3(test) thingie isnt new in new eden.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-08-30 21:39:43 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:

True, but then the main core mechanics such as PoS's, Sov Warfare, being able to earn more isk in HS then the best Null Sec still have not been touched.

Whilst the change in moon goo is a welcome beginning, it still needs a total overhaul.

You can only spend so long doing "Iterations"

I know I need something new.


On the earning more isk in HS than the best null sec, I call utter BS.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#36 - 2013-08-31 10:32:53 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
I guess nobody asked about better missions and new content for high-sec for like 2 years.

Oh there are still tons of things that can be improved, but you gotta start somewhere. This post isn't about naming what you would like to see improved though, it's about complimenting the devs for listening to the players, asking for their opinion and actually doing something with it...

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#37 - 2013-08-31 17:18:31 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well they can't compare apples with oranges. L4 in hi sec corresponds with L4 in low and null.
Anoms in hi sec correspond with anoms in low and null.


In that case, the correct thing to do is combine the sources of population support in the areas of space:

L4s support an unlimited population in HS.
L4s support 0 people in Sov Null.

Anomalies support close to 0 people in HS. (Unlimited + any number is still unlimited, so plug in whatever number you want here).
Anomalies support at most about 6-8 people per system in Nullsec. Let's call it 10, say people play 3 hours, so each system can support an upper bound of 80 people.


So add them up:
HS can support Unlimited + 0 = Unlimited Population.
Sov Null can support 0 + 80 per system = 80 people per system.

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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#38 - 2013-09-03 17:05:29 UTC
Added a link to the patch-notes in the OP =)

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