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You are a splinter off Goons are you not, do they know and condone that you have stolen their raison d'etre?

Numbers rarely lie, the last several QEN's had a significant portion of all war material being built and sold in high, much larger portion than could ever be used in high so unless people like to build stuff and reproc it again when it doesn't sell there is really only one explanation.

Sounds like you have a nice little indentured servitude thing going and exploit the crap out of the new-comers, good on you! But if what you claim is true then why are the majority of null all clamouring for the promised manufacturing bump and where does the Jita-umbilical concept come from?
Yes, null can build everything it needs locally, but due to mining being :slitwrists: for most people and stations/POS having no where near enough slots to crank everything needed out consumption (ie. losses/mails) would need to be cut by .. well most of it really (90%+).

Pretty awesome change for low-sec though, every agent is good so no more clusters for "leet ratter-gankers" to camp, probably not as big a change in high due to people wanting to stay close'ish to hubs for dumping their goods/loot but the idea itself - remove agent quality - was bang-on, CCP just needs to follow up on it, move some highways and such to create several more hubs and tweak the mission rewards.
NB: That is not the high horse you think it is, but rather a rundown old ass. Null is to low-sec what high is to null safety wise. Don't even try to play the risk:reward card as the system has all but been abandoned for null.

So you stopped reading when it was convenient for your understanding of the systems involved, gotcha. No one has said it is impossible ;period;. What has and is being said is that it is impossible without bending over for -insert local sociopath- or having more friends than head-lice .. neither opens up null for newcomers in any way, shape or form. All it does is provide established null with risk-free ISK (risk taken by new guys) and a cheap workforce.

No bloc is permanent, no matter how massive it is. Take the NC for example - it wasn't that long ago that people were complaining about the big blue blobfest, and look at it now.

It is also very possible to get into nullsec. There are NPC stations all over the place to make a home out of and plenty of alliances do just that. And for those who want to have a presence on the map and don't mind the odd invasion, it is also possible to stay under the radar of the big blocs and take a few systems of sov. Alternatively there are alliances who recruit corps, particularly those with combat records and not even necessarily good ones.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

Blocs may not be permanent but look at the very former soviet union...it was around for quite a while

Remember that the essence of a good gank or ambush is to MINIMIZE risk and effort and while many are, muggers and pirates on the whole are usually not the hardest working people on the planet. It was always destined to happen that large enough power blocs would develop in EVE to reduce available, convenient, combat. If sov rules are adjusted to speed up certain aspects of conflict and aren't very carefully balanced it could lead to fewer blocs and even less combat as there will be fewer opponents to fight.

Regardless of what some groups might like to think, in many ways 0.0 will just keep becoming more and more like highsec. It's just human nature.

Just like in Real Life.

Yes! We must ban npc forum alts...as they are NPCs and not PCs they must be bots and botting is against the EULA

Yup just keep on spamming...

Yeah less anonymity sounds great .... but would make reprisals way too easy ... then you'd only hear dominant points of view and ideas ... we'd miss out on the unexpected out of the box ideas from folks who don't belong to Goonswarm or TEST :)

Better to allow "oversharing" .... it's easy enough to ignore the posts you don't like.

It's not a valid point at all and Nicolo is just trolling. People post all manner of garbage and silliness on their mains all the time.

Ask people to post their verified Real Life info as a way of gaining access to the forums and see how that works out if you seek to eliminate anonymity.

If SOMEONE doesn't have enough experience to tell if the OP knows what they are talking about then it stands to reason that perhaps THAT person doesn't know what THEY are talking about and so THEY need to STFU, regardless of which toon the OP is posting on, yes?

If a post seems to be a troll then STOP RIGHT THERE and walk away. Trolls typically want attention at any cost. Replying for ANY reason especially to say it's a stupid or irrelevant post means the troll wins and is encouraged to NOT do the one thing people keep SAYING they want the trolls to do--STOP posting.

For instance, Nicolo posted what he posted to get a reaction and it isn't relevant or helpful to the thread and he did it more than once. That's Trolling 101, kids.

Trolling against trolls is still trolling and it encourages trolling.

Try setting an example instead of doing the equivalent of running though a mall firing a pistol to promote handgun control.

As a hi-sec player atm I could not agree with you more. I fully accept your premise that we are irrelevant to you and others like you.

Then again...you're not spectacularly relevant yourself.

The thing is, there is a place for both playstyles. Forcing a player where they don't want to go ultimately forces them where CCP does not want them to go, elsewhere.

If, as so many say, HiSec players are irrelevant to the NulSec players then why the hate? It's not exclusive to EvE in any way shape or form, nor are the NulSeccers breaking any new ground with carebear bashing. It's been going on far longer than EvE has existed and has been done every bit as artfully (artlessly?) in other games...with results just as profound. As in not at all profound. PvPers have been hurling insults at PvEers since the genre came to encompass both playstyles, and I don't see that changing. In the case of EvE it's even muddied beyond that because there are certainly PvPers in HiSec, so now the bashing isn't even based on how one choose to play, but rather where one chooses to play...which frankly makes even less sense.

The game is not a themeparked sandbox that takes a new player by the hand in hisec, through a guided progression themepark which then drops them naturally into a nulsec sandbox. It's simply not designed that way. It could have been, but it wasn't. In a sandbox the players make the game...or games...from within a framework implemented by the devs.

That two distinct games have developed within that framework is not a bad thing, and it has created an environment which has a sustainability that a nulsec-only or hisec to nulsec forced funnel would not. CCP now has a game which someone who wants a minimum of risk can play at the same time that high-risk adrenaline junkies can get their fix. From their perspective that has to be a good thing. They will not nerf one of those games into the ground at the request of those favoring the other game. It's not in their best interests to do so, and it won't happen.

The way to attract new blood to nulsec is not to berate and belittle your carebear counterparts, any more than the Darktide community's constant mocking of the rest of the Asheron's Call population caused people to migrate to that FFA server. You need to convince people playing in hisec that they truly are missing out on a lot of fun and that they won't be simply entering a world where they are nothing but cannon-fodder lured there for the benefit of the old blood.

I haven't seen anything here that comes close to that.