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No. No, they're not.

But please, keep thinking they are.


As I said, lower the payouts from incursions, increase profitability of lowsec/0.0. Job done.


You said "the market". There's more to "the market" than T2.


We'll make an exception in your case.

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Repetitive. See previous post. It's all great when it's going your way but when it goes the other way you cry and fill your diaper.

I mean, really.

you really think we JF all this stuff from Empire? Wow, you really do have no idea of how the mechanics of living in Nul. But, that is to be expected of someone who only joined Goons AFTER TCF ceeded the region to them and have never had to really fight for their space.



and I mentioned more of the market than T2. T1 is in much the same position, it isn't profitable for anyone who doesn't have vast resources at their command. This makes it very hard for new players to get into the game, which was the entire point of High-sec in the first place.



Congrats, I just added your J4G pubbie ass to my shoot on sight list! :getout: we don't need such blues.

No, they are complaining because they aren't COMPLETELY safe. That is the problem. Even the little bit of interaction that exists seems to be too much for these players. In a game like EVE, that is death. The dynamic nature of the game doesn't work when you can have a walled garden which simply inputs ISK into the system without an equivalent being taken out because of the risk:reward ratio. That unbalances the economy on which the game is based.



If you want me to believe that you understood the argument, I would suggest not presenting yourself as if you didn't. I don't think I said a single time that it should be easier to gank in high-sec. I have said that i think that the rewards in highsec are too high for the risk taken when compared to the rest of EVE. How does that == easier high-sec ganking? In fact, I specifically said I WASN'T into ganking.

Please argue the points that I am making. You are going on a tangent and arguing with points that only you, yourself have made.



CCP is an interesting company, and this statement seems to me to make assumptions that show a lack of understanding of the situation. EVE has consistently gained subscribers year over year. Every year it has operated, it has become more profitable and not less. It also is in an enviable position of not needing to be "Swimming in subscriptions" as you put it. EVE is the goose that laid the golden egg in MMO circles. Low overhead costs and highly profitable due to the fact that CCP actually owns (from what i understand) most of the technology in the game and isn't beholden to anyone so they get to keep all their profits.

EVE is not a game that caters to casuals, and to be honest they would be crazy to even attempt to tackle the segment. That is a market segment that is already over served in the MMO market. Casuals have a whole plethora of games to choose from, while the more hard core have a very limited selection. In fact, you would really have to go back to EverQuest to see something comparable with EVE in terms of death penalties. For CCP to deviate from their core market into one already saturated is an extremely poor business move. CCP needs to cater to its core group rather than take a schizophrenic track and try to be all things to all people.



I have high sec toons. Something I previously already stated. Hell, I have more than one on my accounts. The question of fairness isn't resolved by "Well you can play in high-sec as well" and doesn't address the fundamental imbalance that exists between high-sec and the entire rest of the game. Continue this way and highsec will be all that is left of EVE. At that point the game will be well and truly dead, which sometimes seems to be the goal of those crying that high-sec should be completely safe, or are advocating for a "Consensual" PVP model.

Inequality is well and fine, and something I fully support, but that inequality is supposed to be based on connections, skill and effort. Not by miss-useing game mechanics ment to protect new players.




When have I "Crowed" about having the "upper hand"? High-sec has a MASSIVE advantage over anyone in Low or 0.0. The only reason you think that we have the upper hand is that we are organized and use that organization to try and somewhat mitigate that advantage. What it seems the posters here what is not just to have massive advantage, but to have it be overwhelming as well. So that they are completely safe from even the small bit of risk that exists in high-sec.

I do have a question for you however. Why would someone like you EVER buy this game? From the sounds of it, you are so far outside of the EVE audience that I have to question your sanity for joining a game that has always prided itself on "Everything created can be distroyed" and "You are never safe"?

PS: why in the name of god is there a limit on quotes?????

Short version:

EVERYONE in the game has the advantages of high-sec available to them. If they choose not to partake of them, they have NO reason to whine about it.

Is that too simple for you?

Most interesting thread I've read in a while...

I produced ships in nullsec for quite some time. It is easier and less of a hassle. Granted several corporations/operations are quite benefitial at times. Such as JF services and such. However, have become a self-sufficient entity of my own. I own my own Jump Freighters, Carriers, Production Character, Trading character, Cyno-alts, you name it. I have it. The best thing that comes out of high sec for me is the lack of ability people have in the marketing system. I make 75% of my isk off of people who refuse to use the Player versus Player aspect of the game and sit there and build stuff and trade in high sec.

Is Null-sec capable of being completely dependant on itself? Yes. You can get any and every material needed through mining and missions.
Is there a need to even go to high sec? Not really. I have one character there at all times to abuse the market that other fail at. Why? Cause you guys have no real idea what half the mods are truely priced or used for. You fit them on shiny ships meant for PVP, completly ignoring the bonuses to them (Mission running bhaalgorn lol)

Without High sec carebears I will fail. -- Pfft please. You're inability to read into things benefits me. Your minerals, ores, moon poo (that you get from nullsec) Has become mine for stupidly low prices in which has either been resold or built into something for profit. The only thing that I have ever needed from high sec was the officer and deadspace fittings for supercaps. Wait, nevermind. That came from nullsec.

It IS that simple though. Null-sec is a lifestyle choice just as high-sec is. Instead of using the resources you are complaining about, you are refusing to use them and furthermore you want to take them away from others.

Complaining that other people are making money while you burn isk on ships when you have EXACTLY the same or BETTER resources than the people you are complaining about seems rather silly. If you can't pay for your habit, smoke less virtual crack as it were...don't blame industrious players for your lifestyle choices.

The rich irony of a Test member calling anybody a pubbie is almost more than I can bear.

Hey guys, so I hear this guy is easily trollable.