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CCP what is believed to be harassment?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2013-08-29 12:02:25 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Why isn't that guy banned yet? Shocked
Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#22 - 2013-08-29 12:06:21 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Not the clearest of answers but:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779

Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress.

I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright.


If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment.
If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment.
People ragequit EVE all the time and CCP are well aware that the real meaningful losses are also why they still have a game 10 years down the line.
Is hiring mercs to clear a system of rival miners harrasment?
Is Test being hounded out of 3 regions harrassment?
Is the guy who brought 3 unfitted ships to the same FW plex over a 2 hour period able to claim harrassment?
Is hunting down corp thieves or awoxers harrassment?
Is war deccing random corps harrassment?

Almost nothing in EVE is deemed harrassment under the EULA although IRL threats are taken very seriously. People who gank miners are never banned but many miners have had temp/perm bans for the IRL threats they have issued. Same for awoxers and corp thieves.
Basically defend what you have, hide from people or accept your losses as a price of doing business.
Whatever you do in EVE you can find fairly safe places to do it in high, low, wh or null. It isn't other peoples fault if you don't try to do this.

The EULA has a fairly broad scope on griefing. You can say all of thsi, but CCPs officially answered in that link. You can get warnd for it and too many warning can get you a ban. You can stamp your feet and point at the EULA all you want, but they make the decisions. If they deem what you are doing to be counter to another players enjoyment of them game, they can punish you.

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S D Plissken
#23 - 2013-08-29 12:24:23 UTC
I got a warning from a GM for typing the word kr**t in a chat channel describing a german player. I challenged it and the warning has been rejected. I accept the ruling but I do not understand it. In Jita local you read all kinds of derogatory terms for almost every nationality, but do you realy report them all? Harasment is a broad term and totaly subject to CCP ruling. My answer would be ...deal with it.
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-08-29 13:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycool Jahksn
Tippia wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Why isn't that guy banned yet? Shocked
Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet.


Well, I did what any sane person would do. Reported him.

EVE might be cold and hard but being an assh*le to someone who doesn't have more than 5 minutes of experience, an ibis and a bit of trit in his hand is just below low.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-08-29 14:01:27 UTC
If they call you racial, religous, cultural, or other sexual orientational slurrs, then you can petition for them to be banned and I've known people that have been banned because of it.

Also if you are newbie in a newbie starting system and if they kill you there then it is against the rules.

There are other rules that mention griefplay tactics are forbidden but its vague and not really applical if they aren't using an exploit of sorts.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2013-08-29 14:04:41 UTC
Lady Scarlet jokes were banned

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-08-29 14:05:23 UTC
Jove Death wrote:

With the EULA rule advising that if a char feels he is being harassed by another char this is a ban able offence.

uh no just feeling harassed doesn't let you get someone banned

you have to actually be harassed according to the rather stringent definitions

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#28 - 2013-08-29 14:34:19 UTC
I kill npc's all the time. They never complain. Never even try to warp out. Anyway, it hasn't been considered harassment.

No good deed goes unpunished
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-08-29 14:54:10 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
I kill npc's all the time. They never complain. Never even try to warp out. Anyway, it hasn't been considered harassment.


In low and null sec it seems the NPC will warp away if you kill the largest NPC on the grid.
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#30 - 2013-08-29 16:17:16 UTC
*Evil villain voice*

EVE is a harsh cruel and unforgiving universe full of backstabbers, scoundrels, and seedy characters looking for every opportunity to take what is yours and add it to theirs. In this universe, you decide your destiny. Will you be the noble trader? or the Seedy pirate? Your decisions matter in this dark gritty sci-fi world. A sandbox like no other, and the ability to affect and make changes across the entire single-shard universe...

...

But don't follow miners and bump them, that's harassment.

And don't hunt down and kill the same guy a handful of times, that's griefing.

But seriously! It's a really dark and gritty world!... Most of the time!

Don't kill new players either...

Harsh backstabbing universe!


RollLol

-Sky'
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#31 - 2013-08-29 17:18:43 UTC
Quote:
Reason why I’m asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.


Psssst.

NPC characters are not run by real people, and therefore cannot file a harassment petition. Relax. Smile

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Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-08-29 17:24:43 UTC
Making horrible threads filled with bad posts should be considered harassment.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#33 - 2013-08-29 17:51:26 UTC
Harassment cases are evaluated on an individual basis by the Eve GM team, so there's no super easy or succinct way to sum up their criteria. However, a few rules of thumb are good to keep:


  • Don't harass people in rookie systems.
  • Don't repeatedly attack one person, or a small group of people without any more motivation than "for lols". Use a broad definition of "attack".
  • Don't extend any conflict into real life. Especially don't make real life threats.
  • Watch your language. There's no rule (in-game) against profanity or verbal lashings, but there is such a thing as going too far.


If you have a particular example you're not sure about, you're encouraged to ask a GM via a support ticket.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Sidrat Flush
School of Applied Knowledge
#34 - 2013-08-30 04:31:23 UTC
Very good rule of thumbs.

A big worry is if a cry baby player complains often enough and loudly enough and/or threatens to quit or something equally as bad, would that encourage ccp to make a different ruling?

If we believe what we read on this forum a lot of eve players would really enjoy a single player version with just an illusion of player activity in the background.

Typos are my own on my Samsung galaxy S3 and insomnia.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2013-08-30 05:41:09 UTC
Sidrat Flush wrote:
A big worry is if a cry baby player complains often enough and loudly enough and/or threatens to quit or something equally as bad, would that encourage ccp to make a different ruling?

From the wiki:

Lady Scarlet is a Band of Brothers fleet commander. She is famous for her size.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#36 - 2013-08-30 05:45:46 UTC
Sidrat Flush wrote:
A big worry is if a cry baby player complains often enough and loudly enough and/or threatens to quit or something equally as bad, would that encourage ccp to make a different ruling?

I'm sure the GM team tries to be as neutral as possible, and evaluate a situation objectively, not based on emotional reaction. After all, someone can break down in tears without there being any harassment, while another person just doesn't react to real harassment. What matters is the objective act, not the victim's reaction.

I don't speak for them, though, and I don't know how their internal process of decision works. They are good guys, and if you think they made a bad call, there's always another chance via appealing to a senior GM. Have faith in the system!

I should probably get off my soapbox now.

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2013-08-30 05:50:34 UTC
Just found this amusing:

ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Have faith in the system!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#38 - 2013-08-30 06:33:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Tippia wrote:
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
Why isn't that guy banned yet? Shocked
Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet.


Very true, I was killed 3 times by the same guy within 1 hour of starting the game (while in a noob ship in the noob system) and I did not even know there was a petition system . I always just assuming EVE allowed you to be a total {snip} to noobs.

I came pretty close to giving up but I got over it pretty quickly.

Redacted some filter-avoiding profanity. -- ISD LackOfFaith
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#39 - 2013-08-30 13:45:40 UTC
Quote:
7. Use of profanity is prohibited.

The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.

Redacted some stuff that broke this rule. Please do not try to avoid the word filter.

ISD LackOfFaith

Captain

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Din Chao
#40 - 2013-08-30 13:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
Jove Death wrote:
Reason why I’m asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.

Under war rules it is different but if a NPC char is just trying to play the game can he or she petition this to be stopped?.
Would like some clarification thanks

I know. I hate getting the same missions over and over again. Zor should be filing so many petitions.
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