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Lyris Nairn Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 12,423	#161 - 2013-08-30 00:44:15 UTC 2 Elizabeth Aideron wrote: harry's greatest goal is to solo bomb the sandbox itself! He solo bombed 20 jet cans full of ice one night. It made me sad. Sky Captain of Your Heart Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn

Perkone

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#162 - 2013-08-30 00:45:36 UTC

Enduros wrote:

knobber Jobbler wrote:

Harry Forever wrote:

all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city

So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then?

You guys still haven't convinced all of the rest of us that this is legit. It might be, but it might also be some elaborate long-term scam you are running and one fine day your renters will find their underware pulled over their faces. I was in CFC like 2 years ago and I think you guys touched me in inappropriate places while I wasn't looking so it might just be residual effect.

I am curious to know what entity within the CFC you were a part of, but not curious enough to dig through your employment history and cross-check with all the various member corps. Would you just come out and tell me? I would also like to know in what way GSF or the rest of the CFC mistreated you.

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Perkone

Caldari State

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#163 - 2013-08-30 00:46:52 UTC

Vincent Athena wrote:

What is the typical rental rate these days? And what does that get you? Can you claim Sov for your rented system? Install your own upgrades? Place an outpost?

You do not claim sov; you do not get cyno jammers or CSAAs; you do not get R64s. Rates depend on the system value, based on a metric of factors; for example, a system with an outpost is worth more than a system without one; a dead-end system is worth more, etc.

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Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#164 - 2013-08-30 00:52:32 UTC

Lyris Nairn wrote:

Enduros wrote:

knobber Jobbler wrote:

Harry Forever wrote:

all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city

So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then?

Do you really care

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lyris Nairn

Perkone

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#165 - 2013-08-30 00:52:42 UTC

Mayhaw Morgan wrote:

Lugalbandak wrote:

i rent in rl too , tought it was normal in a game too , srry

There's no need to apologize. There's nothing unreasonable about paying some of your space money as rent for a cool place to fly your spaceship around and do cool stuff. The truth is that we are all transients. Some of us are just not comfortable with this. I don't know if being comfortable with it means you are more enlightened, less enlightened, or just different.

Fly safe.

This is also a good point. I don't know how many people in this thread pay for their accounts with real world currency vs in game space gold via PLEX, but I am one of the latter. I effectively pay a bit less than 6 billion ISK per month in "rent," to maintain my ten accounts. Obviously this allows me to conduct in game activities that are profitable for me, or I wouldn't be able to do it. Renting a system is a similar thing, just you're paying it to the renter alliance rather than (or in addition to) the Jita market. And if you are paying your subscription with real world currency, then you are renting in real life for virtual assets. I honestly don't see what the big deal is to rent with virtual money for virtual assets.

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Lyris Nairn

Perkone

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#166 - 2013-08-30 00:55:54 UTC

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Lyris Nairn wrote:

Enduros wrote:

knobber Jobbler wrote:

Harry Forever wrote:

all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned

if they like a real estate simulation then they should play sim city

So I take it that is a no to coming and renting out a little bit of our prime real estate then?

Do you really care

Of course! I am space friend to all. Lyris Nairn 2013: I care about carebears.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Likes received: 6,953	#167 - 2013-08-30 00:56:16 UTC Renting from CCP eh Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

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The Djentleman Paulson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 181	#168 - 2013-08-30 00:57:47 UTC IF YOU RENT FROM GOONS I AM ALWAYS BAIT YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED


Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Likes received: 6,953	#169 - 2013-08-30 01:00:57 UTC The Djentleman Paulson wrote: IF YOU RENT FROM GOONS I AM ALWAYS BAIT YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED AFK cloaker not seen, because cloaked Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

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Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var Likes received: 934	#170 - 2013-08-30 01:07:16 UTC Don't nullseccers whine about nullsec not being profitable and there being no reason for people to leave hisec? Don't a lot of nullseccers create hisec incursion alts to earn their ISK? Yet paying money to live in nullsec is profitable and worthwhile? Hmmmm.... does not compute.


Lyris Nairn Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 12,423	#171 - 2013-08-30 01:23:14 UTC 2 Alavaria Fera wrote: Renting from CCP eh It's just a difference of perspective. Sky Captain of Your Heart Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

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#172 - 2013-08-30 01:23:50 UTC

Unezka Turigahl wrote:

Don't nullseccers whine about nullsec not being profitable and there being no reason for people to leave hisec? Don't a lot of nullseccers create hisec incursion alts to earn their ISK? Yet paying money to live in nullsec is profitable and worthwhile? Hmmmm.... does not compute.

Do you need me to draw you a diagram?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Likes received: 6,953	#173 - 2013-08-30 01:40:55 UTC Do you actually care enough to bother Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?


Lyris Nairn Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 12,423	#174 - 2013-08-30 01:46:23 UTC 3 Alavaria Fera wrote: Do you actually care enough to bother I have a burning desire to inflict my MS paint skills on an unprepared audience. Sky Captain of Your Heart Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Mayhaw Morgan

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#175 - 2013-08-30 02:07:04 UTC

If you're going to rent space in null, you might as well rent from the Goons. After all, you wouldn't want to drive a Toyota or a Ford or Honda when you could be driving a Lexus or a Cadillac or an Acura. You wouldn't want to eat from the fast food dollar menu when you could have a full course meal at a 4-star restaurant. Why would you want to make it with your drunk, ugly cousin when you could do it with a beautiful swimsuit model?

Accepting anything less than the Goonswarm Federation, the premier null sec alliance, as your lord and master . . . well, that's just uncivilized.

Theodoric Darkwind

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#176 - 2013-08-30 02:17:20 UTC

Deka Ekato wrote:

The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.

It's really quite simple. If you are heavily into mining and/or industry then nullsec can be VASTLY more profitable than highsec. Some people want to involve themselves with nullsec industry but do not want to deal with the pvp aspects of defending sov space, so they pay rent to be able to live in nullsec without the pvp obligations typically associated with living in nullsec.

This might not seem like much to an individual who mostly just runs missions or incursions in highsec, but to a corp of industrialists it is a potential goldmine. Not only do they get access to resources and activities not available in highsec (i.e. high end minerals and the ability to build/sell capital ships/supercaps) they also usually get a local market to sell their product to without having to ship to highsec (especially for capital ships/supers)/

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#177 - 2013-08-30 02:33:59 UTC

Lyris Nairn wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Do you actually care enough to bother

I have a burning desire to inflict my MS paint skills on an unprepared audience.

Just do it

Deka Ekato

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#178 - 2013-08-30 06:16:48 UTC | Edited by: Deka Ekato

- Lyris Nairn, what's up with the PR campaign you seem to have initiated?
- Why the multi-multiple posting?

- Why do players choose to rent? Sure, there are riches in Null Sec, but in the end, renters are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income.

And we are talking about a game, not real life. You might pay rent in real life, but paying rent in a game, to me, is silly.
- Why? Because you are paying other "players"" so as to have fun. (Paying CCP, the game maker, to access the game is totally different. Sadly I can't find the words so as to describe this difference).

Fair enough, this emergent player behaviour is good business for both landlord and renter, but still, why choose to bassically pay other players for the right to play.

People, just stay out of Sovereign Space. Let the Power Blocs actually work so as to maintain control of what they have.
Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Don't waste your ISK, by giving it to Overlords. Don't help the Power Blocs become even richer and stronger from Your play time. Don't let them make You into their puppet/safety buffer.


Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Likes received: 6,953	#179 - 2013-08-30 06:20:17 UTC But the ~isk per hour~. You can only mine so much in highsec, oh and RORQURAL BOOSTS. Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?


Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Likes received: 6,953	#180 - 2013-08-30 06:21:44 UTC Pay a fine or serve your sentence Then pay with your blood ! Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

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