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Why pay rent to live in Null Sec.

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Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#241 - 2013-09-03 04:44:49 UTC
Why pay rent or a mortgage when you can steal the house/apartment from the landlord! Oh right, because you'll get your ass handed to you. Arrow
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#242 - 2013-09-03 04:51:25 UTC
Nothing like a modern profit-sharing agreement

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#243 - 2013-09-03 05:01:24 UTC
Basically its just math.

If (Potential Profit From Space) - (Cost to Rent Space) > (Potential Profit From Highsec)
Then (Rent Space)

That simple.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#244 - 2013-09-03 05:31:33 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it.

I don't know what everybody elses excuse is, but I know that I have been anti-renter since I first became aware of it.

I've never really been vocal about it because it hasn't been really as prevalent as it has recently become.


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TheVirus32
State War Academy
Caldari State
#245 - 2013-09-03 06:44:50 UTC
Providence isn't too bad if you want free 0.0 (NRDS), lots of fleets to join too :3 - sure there's FAR better but it does the trick
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#246 - 2013-09-03 07:32:11 UTC
Rent and keep those who despise renters in power or don't rent and let them starve for cash. Tough choice.

Better option, rent and then kill other renters.
Conius Mar
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#247 - 2013-09-03 10:37:15 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?

Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?

Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?

Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?

Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.

Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.

Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".

Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.

To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.

Deka.


A few words.

Supercap and Titan building
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#248 - 2013-09-03 11:02:05 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
People like paying for the privilege of not having to defend their space. You know those alliances that fall apart when they get invaded? They should be renting.

Test Alliance, Please Rent (then NCdot will defend you even if you manage to drop all your sov)


Wait..are you really offering us a place in the heart of your newly founded slave empire amongst all the carebears ?

Shocked

Hmmm.

Sounds like a reasonable and well thought out plan.

What could possibly go wrong?

Hell, this could be even more fun than joining CVA!


You could always I dunno be forced to go to Low Sec *cough cough* and be my neighbor. It'll be like shooting fish in a barrel while feeling up my passed out cousin at a family reunion....

Welcome to Low Sec. Enjoy your stay.
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
#249 - 2013-09-03 11:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Barzai Mekhar
Deka Ekato wrote:
Bump.

No matter how tempting the riches of Null Sec are, renters, in the end, are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income, thereby giving them even more wealth.

Renters, don't be/become a puppet/security buffer, or even be possibly scamed by these landlords.

Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding as renting, but at least you'll be free.


I kinda fail to see how sustaining a fleet capable of SOV warfare to defend systems from invasion is either passive or easy. Sure, while everything is going fine the financial aspects might sort themselves out, but keeping hundreds or thousands of people organized? Just thinking about the effort gives me migraines....
Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#250 - 2013-09-03 11:24:30 UTC
Because if you have money and power you make more money and have more power, and if you are poor and miserable, you will always get a boot up the arse. I
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#251 - 2013-09-03 13:11:29 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
Renters, don't be/become a puppet/security buffer, or even be possibly scamed by these landlords.

Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding as renting, but at least you'll be free.

If they don't like renting, it takes like one day to drop your corp from the renter alliance and go somewhere else.

Lots of NPC alts screaming about why not to rent, which was pretty much the expected reaction.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#252 - 2013-09-03 13:16:20 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Deka Ekato wrote:
Renters, don't be/become a puppet/security buffer, or even be possibly scamed by these landlords.

Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding as renting, but at least you'll be free.

If they don't like renting, it takes like one day to drop your corp from the renter alliance and go somewhere else.

Lots of NPC alts screaming about why not to rent, which was pretty much the expected reaction.

NPC corp alts, free in highsec where concord will protect them

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#253 - 2013-09-03 13:43:25 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Basically its just math.

If (Potential Profit From Space) - (Cost to Rent Space) > (Potential Profit From Highsec)
Then (Rent Space)

That simple.


Pretty much this.

Varathius wrote:
Because if you have money and power you make more money and have more power, and if you are poor and miserable, you will always get a boot up the arse.


My corp covered all the rent fees and expenses in one evening with only 3 people online. Fair enough we got lucky with a few DED drops, but stretch it over 30 days and you can count on getting lucky pretty consistently. Anything and everything left over is just pure profit. Do these nay-sayers ever been in null at all?

Deka Ekato wrote:
No matter how tempting the riches of Null Sec are, renters, in the end, are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income, thereby giving them even more wealth.

Renters, don't be/become a puppet/security buffer, or even be possibly scamed by these landlords.

Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding as renting, but at least you'll be free.

Nothing wrong with giving them wealth because in the process we still make way more isk then we would otherwise so it's a win-win. You ofcourse need to pick who you rent from. For example if CFCs renting turns out not to be a scam they still have unreasonable terms and I fail to see why anyone would rent from them.

As for being a puppet/buffer. If your group is big enough and capable enough to be considered as a buffer odds are you might enjoy PvP with no strings attached. If you don't like your landlord you can leave any time without the politics following you because it is after all a business transaction to begin with.

Scamming is a possibilty, but there are steps you can take to minimize risk. Reputation of the landlord is an important factor.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#254 - 2013-09-03 13:48:38 UTC
Yeah, there's ncdot a really stable alliance that hasn't been kicked about a few times

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#255 - 2013-09-03 14:08:04 UTC
You're being unkind, it's been over a whole month now since they lost all their rental space.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#256 - 2013-09-03 14:22:29 UTC
I was referring to the landlord losing their own home.

Which might be +1 more time in a little bit...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#257 - 2013-09-03 14:52:27 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
Why pay rent or a mortgage when you can steal the house/apartment from the landlord! Oh right, because you'll get your ass handed to you. Arrow


But probably not by the landlord himself. Generally, it will be the local sheriff, although, if you pose enough of a threat, they'll call the SWAT team out.
In modern civilization, people are generally not required to be able to defend their own property. This tends to impart on us a sense of attachment and entitlement to "our" own property. You see this entitlement when a carebear's mission or mining ship gets ganked and they rage. You see it when a nullbear demands to have "the chance to defend my structure". You see it when people ask silly questions like: "Why should a player who just started have the same advantages as a player who has been playing for years?" People see their built up advantage as something they are entitled to, as their "property", for use to others only if they so consent.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#258 - 2013-09-03 17:58:34 UTC
It's your PLEX. Play the way you want.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2013-09-03 18:35:43 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Watch the game mechanic changes coming in with the December iteration, and then you will see why people will be moving into null.


Do you hear the black helicopters flying over your house at night?


Not sure what this is about. Clarification?

Dodixie > Hek

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#260 - 2013-09-03 18:41:29 UTC
Because rent per system goes from 1b to 5b a month which is peanuts if you're a semi-active corp doing just about anything.



Plus, you know, you're funding :fuckgoons: stuff.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.