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Why pay rent to live in Null Sec.
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Golar Crexis
Donald Trump Real Estate
#221 - 2013-08-31 11:33:33 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
Let's not talk about the, ( non exsitant ), opportunities for new/younger Corps the chance to obtain Sovereignty, ( sure they can fight for it, but they have no hope against the current Sovereign juggernaughts ). This is a different matter all together. ( OH!!! I'm guilty of actually bringing this up ).


My alliance holds sov.
We fought for it and we get to keep it.

And it can be yours for prices as low as 3bil per month for a small corp and 500-1 bil once off for individuals.
If you want to know more about our sov I have a thread in the sell forum

If you want to know how we got our sov have a look at test alliances capital losses Cool
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2013-08-31 11:53:57 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Deka Ekato wrote:

So, this game play mechanic, ( the "freedom" of living in Null Sec ), is now a, ( player ), marketable product..


The only thing paying your subscription entitles you to is access to the game client and servers. You have no inherant right to the limited resources of the Eve universe, especially those currently held by other players.


Sovereignty gives holders the ability to live in peace, ( besides from other Alliances trying to take it away from you ), within held teritory, as such they gain "easier" access to the rich resources of that area, as such they have the "right" to defend their teritory.

All non renting players might not have a "right" to live in held teritory, but they still have the "freedom", to choose, to try to make a living, from held teritory, ( although, of course, it's a risky choice, for holders would kill tresspassers, when discovered ).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#223 - 2013-08-31 12:06:56 UTC
I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it.

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Golar Crexis
Donald Trump Real Estate
#224 - 2013-08-31 12:20:43 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it.

Because goons are evil scammers who steal from children and all sort of other nasty things.
Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#225 - 2013-08-31 16:12:08 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it.

I don't know what everybody elses excuse is, but I know that I have been anti-renter since I first became aware of it.

I've never really been vocal about it because it hasn't been really as prevalent as it has recently become.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#226 - 2013-08-31 18:16:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I love how renting has been going on for years & no one really cared, until Goons did it.

There are no goons just renters

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
voetius
Grundrisse
#227 - 2013-08-31 18:57:16 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Why rent deserted nullsec space when you can trespass and not see another ship for weeks at a time?


there's a lot of posts both for and against but I didn't see any that address this point. Why bother paying a rent when you can just go to a quiet sov system and rat away?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#228 - 2013-08-31 19:44:33 UTC
Do it. Clearly the belt ratting is the way to go.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kharisa Tzestu
Eye Mock Holding Corporation
#229 - 2013-08-31 19:55:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Do it. Clearly the belt ratting is the way to go.

Now I know you're being facetious and all, but really, you can have the headache of maintaining Sov and making sure all of the little drones are happy and we can just ninja daytrip through space we don't need to pay for.

Keep your towers fueled now, make sure all of your precious reactions are being properly chained, worry about what blue is an awoxer and which alliance in the Happy-Go-Lucky-Let's-All-Hold-Hands-And-Sing-Kumbaya Coalition is going to go rogue next because the grass is greener "over there".

Don't forget to make sure that your Sov bills are paid too.

When it all boils down to it, even -0.0 belt ratting is better than what can be had in Empire and there isn't anyone there to fight for it. Just go to an empty system in a throwaway ship and belt rat or scan sigs or mine in Ventures. If you make it out alive with some profit, you're richer than you were when you went in and you've had more fun than you can have in Empire dealing with all of the asshats trying to make life hard for "carebears".

If you don't make it out alive, did you really lose anything by going to go have some fun in (and this is the key) something you can afford to lose.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#230 - 2013-08-31 20:28:01 UTC
Kharisa Tzestu wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Do it. Clearly the belt ratting is the way to go.

Now I know you're being facetious and all, but really, you can have the headache of maintaining Sov and making sure all of the little drones are happy and we can just ninja daytrip through space we don't need to pay for.

Keep your towers fueled now, make sure all of your precious reactions are being properly chained, worry about what blue is an awoxer and which alliance in the Happy-Go-Lucky-Let's-All-Hold-Hands-And-Sing-Kumbaya Coalition is going to go rogue next because the grass is greener "over there".

Don't forget to make sure that your Sov bills are paid too.

When it all boils down to it, even -0.0 belt ratting is better than what can be had in Empire and there isn't anyone there to fight for it. Just go to an empty system in a throwaway ship and belt rat or scan sigs or mine in Ventures. If you make it out alive with some profit, you're richer than you were when you went in and you've had more fun than you can have in Empire dealing with all of the asshats trying to make life hard for "carebears".

If you don't make it out alive, did you really lose anything by going to go have some fun in (and this is the key) something you can afford to lose.

It never occurred to me that some of the random neutrals in nowhere systems might be AFK ratting in anomalies.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#231 - 2013-08-31 20:36:58 UTC
Ratting neutrals.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Phil Defer
Doomheim
#232 - 2013-08-31 21:15:48 UTC
Come expecting the statement...

"Renters are the weakest link of the chain in..." WHAT !!!

GSM are renting their space ? HILARIOUS !!!

"Quote : Prince Kobol wrote : For years the goons have mocked people who have rented but now they need those same people"

They need "pubbies"? "carebears" ? "stupid hi-sec people"? SEEMS LEGIT !!

This is more likely to be the GSM 2 nd décade mega scam lol

That said

DEAR FUTURE GSM RENTERS : CAUTION !

When your rented system start to be camped by cloakers , to hot drop your juicy expensive "pubbiecarebearpwonmobiles" PVE fitted.

When your juicy freighters start to be destroyed by hi-sec alts , for the prize and for the LULZ

YOUR TEARS WILL BE DELICIOUS

* Left satisfied :)
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#233 - 2013-08-31 21:28:47 UTC
What exactly is the GSM?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-08-31 21:36:01 UTC
The alliance's tag is PBLRD



lol

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Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#235 - 2013-08-31 23:44:40 UTC
Phil Defer wrote:

DEAR FUTURE GSM RENTERS : CAUTION !

When your rented system start to be camped by cloakers , to hot drop your juicy expensive "pubbiecarebearpwonmobiles" PVE fitted.

When your juicy freighters start to be destroyed by hi-sec alts , for the prize and for the LULZ

YOUR TEARS WILL BE DELICIOUS

* Left satisfied :)


This is some BS right here. You think renters are dumb? Anyone running a 0.0 renting corp is gonna have a clue and the capabilities otherwise you aren't gonna sign anyone up. And all the nubs that will lose whatever will just have their stuff replaced and hopefully a lesson learned.

Also anyone running in some expensive PVE pwnmobile is gonna be a hard target. Yea sure they are killed every now and then, but if you would compare how many people actually use expensive ships in 0.0 vs ones who lose them it's not even a comparison. It's like stepping on an ant in a forest, it's not relevant.

Also this tears part is getting rather old. Real tears are usually shed by elite solo pvp'er, especially when you bait them.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#236 - 2013-08-31 23:47:18 UTC
Enduros wrote:
Real tears are usually shed by elite solo pvp'er

Never not Harry teas

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#237 - 2013-08-31 23:49:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Enduros wrote:
Real tears are usually shed by elite solo pvp'er

Never not Harry teas

Well at least he owns it and posts on his main, unlike some people...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#238 - 2013-08-31 23:56:57 UTC
Ok, yeah.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2013-09-03 02:59:37 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Deka Ekato wrote:
And we are talking about a game, not real life. You might pay rent in real life, but paying rent in a game, to me, is silly.
- Why? Because you are paying other "players"" so as to have fun. (Paying CCP, the game maker, to access the game is totally different. Sadly I can't find the words so as to describe this difference).

I don't see a tangible difference. I pay ~550 million ISK per month per account to play EVE Online. That is considerably higher than what the per-player cost to rent space is. If you are OK with PLEX, then I don't see why you wouldn't be OK with renting.


So basically, you are advising players to rent so "they" can pay for "your" subscription, with ISK.



Bump.

No matter how tempting the riches of Null Sec are, renters, in the end, are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income, thereby giving them even more wealth.

Renters, don't be/become a puppet/security buffer, or even be possibly scamed by these landlords.

Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding as renting, but at least you'll be free.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#240 - 2013-09-03 03:38:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Deka Ekato wrote:
Find other ways to enjoy Eve. Sure, they might not as rewarding

Haha, really?
Deka Ekato wrote:
No matter how tempting the riches of Null Sec are, renters, in the end, are providing their landlords with a passive source of easy income, thereby giving them even more wealth.

Join N3, if you don't get stomped on by blackops, you can help feed the coalition announced by progodlegend as existing to destroy GSF.

What could be better? Except that they will even leave a fight to save you if you're moronic.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?