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What ship is the best for nullsec PVE ?
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North Vladimir
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-08-28 07:11:05 UTC
Ping 500+ long-term , m afraid for net drop .

can run nullsec unkno and space dead with high defense after net drop

I think carrier is the best
2nd Machriel,
3rd Ishtar
4th Tengu


how do u all thinking about ?
BOHC Lotteries
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-08-28 07:25:43 UTC
Carrier ratting is ******** unless i can be in system with my cyno fit hictor



Now that we have clarified that.

Depends on where your at and what you want to do. Tengu is probably the best all around for your money. Ishtars can work in most places.

Macherials work fine for the anomalies but not so much for DED sites. Also requires a huge investment.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-28 08:15:15 UTC
Carrier is the best generally. Ratting in anything that's easier to tackle but still expensive (tengu, machariel...) is not smart as you could be raking in the isk faster with no ammo cost.

The right way to rat in a carrier is to snipe with sentries from a far warp in (depends on rat types, 100-50km). This uses absolutely no cap, requires no tank mods etc. Fit 5 drone damage amps, 3 omnidirs, 3-4 drone controls and 1-2 drone link augmentors. Rest of mids sensor boosters, lows are your pick.

For pvp escape you just jump out if anything appears on dscan/lands on grid. This naturally requires a scouted cyno/array. Align and warp to pos if anything appears on local. Don't rat with new blues in local (less than couple weeks in blue corp).

By being far from grid centre and able of 1-2 second evac, nothing will realistically catch you. The only real threat is a coordinated mass loginski on random anoms while you are mid warp, and even then the tactical awareness required would far more easily catch any machariel, tengu and even easier vindicators (which are as or more expensive to lose and make less isk.
BOHC Lotteries
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-08-28 10:38:19 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Carrier is the best generally. Ratting in anything that's easier to tackle but still expensive (tengu, machariel...) is not smart as you could be raking in the isk faster with no ammo cost.

The right way to rat in a carrier is to snipe with sentries from a far warp in (depends on rat types, 100-50km). This uses absolutely no cap, requires no tank mods etc. Fit 5 drone damage amps, 3 omnidirs, 3-4 drone controls and 1-2 drone link augmentors. Rest of mids sensor boosters, lows are your pick.

For pvp escape you just jump out if anything appears on dscan/lands on grid. This naturally requires a scouted cyno/array. Align and warp to pos if anything appears on local. Don't rat with new blues in local (less than couple weeks in blue corp).

By being far from grid centre and able of 1-2 second evac, nothing will realistically catch you. The only real threat is a coordinated mass loginski on random anoms while you are mid warp, and even then the tactical awareness required would far more easily catch any machariel, tengu and even easier vindicators (which are as or more expensive to lose and make less isk.



You dont need to put 2b into a tengu to run anomalies. You can actually do most of them in a pvp fit buffer tengu with little to no issues, runs about 550m.

Carrier ratting is a good way to be tracked and hunted. If you jump out I run a locator to find out what beacon you like to use. Log off a cyno insystem jump in scout to where you rat wait for you to jump to a beacon cyno up kill you on your own pos laugh at you and leave.

If you warp to a pos i bring in a cloaky and figure out which one. I setup a safe spot on grid somewhere on the pos. jump in light dictor to spook you warp to safe and bubble. then laugh as i kill you.


Ratting with capitals ensures someone will take the time and effort to hunt you. Eve kill has many killmails exhibiting this.
Sgt Doakes XD
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-08-28 10:52:15 UTC
Ishtar/Gila ftw. Cheap, high DPS, baller in general. Excellent for any "ninja" missions, ratting or plexing.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-08-28 11:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
By the time anyone tracks down and kills a smart ratting carrier, the isk/h improvement over pretty much everything else has paid the carrier multiple times over.

Mine ticks 120-150M/h steady without using ammo, has earned me enough to get a dozen more, and has never been contested in the slightest.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-08-28 11:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Let's carefully estimate the carrier makes 30M per hour more than the 1k dps HAM tengu while not using ammo (realistically the difference is this or higher, over extended timeframes I would estimate 40-50mph more given my average income is 45m ticks).

The carrier costs 3B in the ratting fit (high end estimate, bad carriers are cheaper than archons).

The carrier would pay itself in 100 hours. In my income case, the average I'm clocking for a year now, the income difference is much less, the carrier pays itself in 70 hours. If you use any other carrier, you get the difference in less than 50 hours of ratting.

Now the carrier gets killed less often than your tengu which is quite easy to loginski on by a solo player.

Also, this all is neglecting the ammo cost which amounts to 3-8M isk per hour depending on your ratting ship for both t2 and t1 ammo (either in smaller ticks or just ammo burned).

The only case where I would even consider other ships is ratting in contested space, either by being in a weak alliance or being unaligned. In these cases I would lean towards a Dominix or ishtar given the OP preference.
Zane Lowe
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-28 16:35:20 UTC
Nyx > carrier > all else
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-08-28 19:09:30 UTC
North Vladimir wrote:
Ping 500+ long-term , m afraid for net drop .

can run nullsec unkno and space dead with high defense after net drop

I think carrier is the best
2nd Machriel,
3rd Ishtar
4th Tengu


how do u all thinking about ?


If you use ships cheaper than a carrier than you have less to worry about from disconnects. Honestly most of the heavy drone boats are solid ratters right now and they're easily replaceable if your connection drops at the wrong time.

So I would suggest:
gila
domi
ishtar
possibly navy vexor

All of these ships are relatively cheap and easy to replace and will pull in solid ticks.
Silver Getsuga
Liber Primus
#10 - 2013-08-28 19:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Silver Getsuga
Is any carrier considered best for ratting?
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-08-28 19:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical Chaos
The Spod wrote:
Let's carefully estimate the carrier makes 30M per hour more than the 1k dps HAM tengu while not using ammo (realistically the difference is this or higher, over extended timeframes I would estimate 40-50mph more given my average income is 45m ticks).

The carrier costs 3B in the ratting fit (high end estimate, bad carriers are cheaper than archons).

The carrier would pay itself in 100 hours. In my income case, the average I'm clocking for a year now, the income difference is much less, the carrier pays itself in 70 hours. If you use any other carrier, you get the difference in less than 50 hours of ratting.

Now the carrier gets killed less often than your tengu which is quite easy to loginski on by a solo player.

Also, this all is neglecting the ammo cost which amounts to 3-8M isk per hour depending on your ratting ship for both t2 and t1 ammo (either in smaller ticks or just ammo burned).

The only case where I would even consider other ships is ratting in contested space, either by being in a weak alliance or being unaligned. In these cases I would lean towards a Dominix or ishtar given the OP preference.


How on earth did you come to 3B?

Carrier Hull: 1.1 or so for Archons, Total fitting goes for maybe 800. That's including Capital Sentry Rigs, Cap mods etc. I mean you don't need to faction the carrier at all.

EDIT: Oh and in the worst case you even get insurance which you can deduct from the price as well (talking basic insurance here, since unless you live in very risky space it's not worth it to platinum it).
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#12 - 2013-08-30 07:09:09 UTC
@silver Best rat-carrier would be archon.
Which is because it has a defensive bonus the offensive gallente bonus has no effect on sentries.
North Vladimir
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-09-05 23:52:02 UTC
Thx u all ,
maybe the ishtar is the best ,
North Vladimir
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-09-05 23:53:28 UTC
Zane Lowe wrote:
Nyx > carrier > all else



Bingo ,If I sit on the Nyx ,I need to buy another sitter
Nyx not cheap
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#15 - 2013-09-06 00:25:18 UTC
New Ishtar is really cool, you can get a 500dps Guristas tank, 660 dps @ 63km with Gardes, AB, MWD, Cloak and a Probe Launcher so you can scan/do D.E.D sites. Also the MWD + Cloak and the Ishtars natural good agility means that you're very hard to catch at gatecamps. Probably not the most efficient but alot cheaper than the alternatives listed.
Mathias Orsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-09-06 02:33:35 UTC
Chimera is the best ship to use for anomalies. Mid slots enough for plenty of shield tank, sensor boosters, and omnidirectional tracking links. Low slots reserved for Drone damage mods.

Machariel is the best ship for running Escalations and DED complexes. Ask around and see for your self. The people who make the most isk for the least work fly a carrier and machariel. Those who do more work to make less isk fly tengus. Tengu pilots also tend to run less anomalies than carriers due to it taking such a long time that they get bored.

in any ship that does less than 1000 DPS, I would just run belts and hope for officer spawns.
Lapata Kapata
AST Corpi
#17 - 2013-09-06 08:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapata Kapata
Mathias Orsen wrote:
Chimera is the best ship to use for anomalies. Mid slots enough for plenty of shield tank, sensor boosters, and omnidirectional tracking links. Low slots reserved for Drone damage mods.

Machariel is the best ship for running Escalations and DED complexes. Ask around and see for your self. The people who make the most isk for the least work fly a carrier and machariel. Those who do more work to make less isk fly tengus. Tengu pilots also tend to run less anomalies than carriers due to it taking such a long time that they get bored.

in any ship that does less than 1000 DPS, I would just run belts and hope for officer spawns.

You are EVE Snouden man. If he can not into "ship slots/EFT/EHQ/what else" crabing is not a PVP - it is much much easier..

Back to discussion:
Thanatos have enough slots to tank shield/armor with omnies and DDA and still usable for PVP action.
Chimera if you are in DD ally, otherwise you will need even 1 CTA carrier armor fitted(archon or thanatos)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-09-06 11:04:03 UTC
Silver Getsuga wrote:
Is any carrier considered best for ratting?


Specially Nyx's, don't forget to light cyno and bring at least 2 hics through it

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