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So this is it for eve, is this the future, is it?

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-08-27 23:33:40 UTC
JinSanJong wrote:
Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.


The most profitable business IRL has always been farming people.
When it was called slavery there were uprisings and profits suffered.
They tried indentured servants but that caused issues too.
Finally they tried capitalism and amazingly even though via mortgages, insurance, banking, telecoms, power companies, supermarkets etc etc a ever greater amount of your productive life is spent enriching others people call it freedom.
When you enslave whole countries via invasion you also get problems so puppet governments, 3rd world debt, and the IMF were created to replace colonialism.
As in life so in EVE
It is better to make other people farm ISK for you than to do it yourself.
Welcome to the wonders of capitalism that isn't anything like feudalism/slavery.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#22 - 2013-08-27 23:34:27 UTC
Actually people used to fight over and viciously guard their 10/10's too until the GREAT SANCTUM NERF. How about introducing a series of Super Anomaly™ ~ valuable enough to make people want to control that space.
Savnire Jacitu
Abysmal Gentlemen
We Didn't Mean It
#23 - 2013-08-27 23:35:49 UTC
You know what?!

LETS RISE UP AND TAKE DOWN THIS OPPRESSIVE HIERARCHY OF NULL SEC FAT CATS AND MAKE EV - ah **** it, I don't care anymore/too much work

Rekon X
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-08-28 00:45:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-08-28 00:47:12 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


You sound like you are mad about Goons.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-28 00:54:11 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


Where did your main live before we kicked you out?

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-08-28 01:09:22 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


You sound like you are mad about Goons.


This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew

Rekon X
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-08-28 01:12:01 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


Where did your main live before we kicked you out?


Ignorance proven.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew

Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-08-28 01:49:48 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


You sound like you are mad about Goons.


This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.


why don't you look up the size of test and n3
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-08-28 02:10:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
JinSanJong wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).

The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.

If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.


this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online"

i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.


Yes this is a game. Thank you for pointing out something that is obvious and has little relevance to the topic at hand.

You are making it sound like CCP is forcing people who want to go to nullsec to have to rent space. This couldn't be further from the truth. Stop pretending that it is because it makes you look really dumb.

Not only that, if people are unhappy with the space they are renting or feel they are paying too much, there are plenty of other alliances to rent from. If an alliance wants to offer renting, they have to make sure their deal stacks up against that of other alliances, otherwise they have no business.

It appears to me you lack a basic understanding of not only how this game works, but how basic economics do.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-08-28 02:15:14 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


You sound like you are mad about Goons.


This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.


It's really easy to tell when someone has never left hi-sec.


Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Rekon X
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-08-28 02:31:54 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:

why don't you look up the size of test and n3


Why don't you post it. With links.


Clusterfuck Coalition - 31241 Members (comprised of the following alliances)

Goonswarm Federation - 10078 Members

RAZOR Alliance - 3879 Members

Fatal Ascension - 2834 Members

Tactical Narcotics Team - 1913 Members

Fidelas Constans - 3065 Members

SpaceMonkey's Alliance - 1761 Members

Executive Outcomes - 825 Members

Gentlemen's Agreement - 2567 Members

Get Off My Lawn - 1758 Members

Circle-Of-Two - 1545 Members

Li3 Federation - 1016 Members


Known Enemies

Northern Coalition - 2380 Members

Black Legion - 1128 Members

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-08-28 02:42:08 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:

why don't you look up the size of test and n3


Why don't you post it. With links.


Clusterfuck Coalition - 31241 Members (comprised of the following alliances)

Goonswarm Federation - 10078 Members

RAZOR Alliance - 3879 Members

Fatal Ascension - 2834 Members

Tactical Narcotics Team - 1913 Members

Fidelas Constans - 3065 Members

SpaceMonkey's Alliance - 1761 Members

Executive Outcomes - 825 Members

Gentlemen's Agreement - 2567 Members

Get Off My Lawn - 1758 Members

Circle-Of-Two - 1545 Members

Li3 Federation - 1016 Members


Known Enemies

Northern Coalition - 2380 Members

Black Legion - 1128 Members



You copy/pasted that list even though there are entities missing from the "Known Enemies" section. I think you knew this and posted it anyway because you're so mad about Goons.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-08-28 02:43:58 UTC
Some might think that you were a member of one of those missing alliances but I don't think you've ever actually been involved in nullsec.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-08-28 02:44:07 UTC
Rhes wrote:




You copy/pasted that list even though there are entities missing from the "Known Enemies" section. I think you knew this and posted it anyway because you're so mad about Goons.


I think it's cute how he thinks he can outsmart us with petty attempts to conceal evidence.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-08-28 02:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhes
^^ You screwed my triple post Evil

You are also an extraordinarily bad poster.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-08-28 02:48:42 UTC
Rhes wrote:
^^ You screwed my triple post Evil

.


I so sorry Oops

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-08-28 02:51:54 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.


i'd refute your post but it's easier to sum it up as "this is an npc alt post, of course it's complete nonsense"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-08-28 02:52:36 UTC
it is a well-known fact that the CFC only has two enemies

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2013-08-28 02:53:26 UTC
that or you're upset that people who don't have a crippling lack of social graces have friends

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar