Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Find me a bonus that is useful for missions but is not a straight up PVP bonus, given that even the owners of marauders have said in these threads that they just use a noctis.

Why does the marauder need to specialise in PVE, why not just specialise in blowing **** up?

So, after I've read some of the posts in this thread...

We essentially want our marauders to be missile spewing mobile super POSes with just that little bit of more awesome sauce to make them cool but not to cool... Or did I get that wrong?

How about giving each a unique defensive immunity vs. modules and drones?
Amarr - Tracking Disruption, Caldari - ECM, Gallente - Sensor Dampening, Minmatar - Target Painting

A BLOPS is worse in combat than it's T1 equivilent. They are not designed for straight up fights.

As for the bonuses, it's the other way around. PVP bonuses are good in PVE. PVE bonuses are useless in PVP.

Why do missions even need a specialised ship when PVP boats are already so much better at them than the supposed current mission ship? And why do you need a T2 battleship to do what you can easily do in a drake?

I didn't say BLOPS are better. You wanted dedicated T2 PVP battleships, you have them. Balance is subject of another discussion.

And not really. For example most of EWAR bonuses are useless in PVE, buffer and gang link bonuses are of limited use too. OTOH, what is useless in PVP with active tanking, tracking, range and so on? Heck, even expanded cargo bay may have its uses.

The only boats better at missions are pirate battleships and even they only by slight margin and only with significant pimpage. If you insist on doing missions in Drake I'm not stopping you. However I would like to have some kind of endgame goal regarding this activity. And current Marauders fit the bill.

Currently for my PvE Bling boat the Vargur is totally eclipsed by my RF Typhoon - possibly just for the way I play - but the gap is too big. The Noctis really does mitigate the need for the one-ship does it all "Bonus" - as the bonus to tractors isn't enough on the Vargur and so I can fly back to base get the Noctis and finish salvaging before the Vargur can have traversed the 90KM wide feild of debris to scoop it all up. Kronos is slightly better than my Navy Mega - but not by much.

At the moment - the only benefit, (I might use), is that the Maruders use so few guns for slightly better DPS than the Fleet versions - that it becomes more ecconomical to use faction ammo in the missions - which to me is only of benefit to the Vargur because I'm in Minnie space - and that would give me even more DPS.

But without sacrificing DPS and range - my Vargur can not equip 1400s - and the Maelstrom is cheaper with a mental high dps. This is only an issue if I want to maximise damage per shell to use my invented "Bonus" of being able to justify faction ammo for missions - which is a bit of a "Fail" reason for the design, I know, but. . . . .

But. . . I'm looking at Fail design angles because Maruders just don't give me an angle on Fleet Battleships - so I hunt for a reason.

They are just lacking - and where are their resists? - It would be nice to have something general purpose other than the more-damge-for-fewer-guns-for-pointless-utility-highs-on-a-PVE-ship bonus.

Ugh, slavaging with a marauder takes ages and isn't worth the effort.

The only time I ever used the tractor beam was on missions so I can get the mission critical items one minute earlier.

for every one of you, i can find 10 non-you's who think the marauder is WAY lacking.

ok, so u CAN use it on a mission. it should be for a larger purpose. whatever that purpose is, i dont know yet, but right now it bites.

if it received a cloaking bonus to scan resolution penalty it would be a great thing. we could go in worm holes with a probe launcher and scan cloaked. once we find some thing, we could fly to it.

or sit on a gate cloaked and decloak when a juicy comes along.

if it had jump drives, it would be great. it could ride shotgun with the fleet and protect them from smaller ships.

if it had mjd bonuses to duration and reuse time it would be kewl.

they need to serve a higher purpose.

they need to have good fitment. they use 1/2 the guns so fitting a (1/2) rack of large t2's shouldnt be a problem.

unless they crap billions of isk a day, dont make us choose between tank or gank.

Honestly, I think CCP could probably take or leave the tractor-beam bonus without having any real affect on the balance of the ships. This is such a marginally useful bonus in anything but missions it's amusing. It's not like it has any effect on PvP either.



This sounds like more of a Black-Ops bonus. Marauders have nothing to do with cloaking or jump-drives.

There is always going to be a choice between more tank and more gank, that's the nature of Eve. Choices and trade-offs. How steep that exchange is though is another matter entirely.

Want to make Marauders useful? Make them viable for Incursions. I mean actually viable by fixing their scan res and giving them normal tech II resist.

People will be scrambling to get into them as fast as possible. Instead of just being hisec lvl4 boats, make them specialized PvE boats through and through. Incursions are fleet PvE that right now is dominated with Pirate battleships. Not that I'm complaining but tech II ships should be a "step up" right?

It should go Tech I>faction>pirate>tech II, tech II being where you "specialize" PvE or PvP with Marauders being PvE and the BLOPS battlships being PvP IMHO.