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Astenion University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 412	#61 - 2013-08-27 11:50:52 UTC Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I've had Astenion blocked for quite awhile. Highly recommend this defensive action. Will have to avert my eyes from any quoting or the stupid will infect my mind. I really don't understand why. We share the same outlook for the most part. Not that you'll see this, but I'll post it anyway.

Angelique Duchemin

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#62 - 2013-08-27 12:01:23 UTC | Edited by: Angelique Duchemin

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

I've had Astenion blocked for quite awhile. Highly recommend this defensive action.

Will have to avert my eyes from any quoting or the stupid will infect my mind.

Seems kind of weak to have anyone blocked. Why do words frighten you?

Edit: Astenion, "unlike" this post this minute. It was a general response and not meant to lend any support to you personally.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Astenion

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#63 - 2013-08-27 12:16:32 UTC | Edited by: Astenion

Tbh, I really don't know, hehe. Sure, I speak with conviction and sometimes I come across as a bit harsh, but it's not like I stoop to personal attacks or anything. I'm quite a progressive. Hell, I left the US to live in Europe.

Unless he supports The Tea Party or any other neocon chickenhawks, I really have nothing against him, and even then it's just me trying to get my point across. Maybe I should do it in a better way, but it's a pet peeve of mine whenever someone speaks out of ignorance. That said, Krixtal Icefluxor doesn't seem to be one of those types.

Astenion

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#64 - 2013-08-27 12:17:01 UTC

Angelique Duchemin wrote:

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

I've had Astenion blocked for quite awhile. Highly recommend this defensive action.

Will have to avert my eyes from any quoting or the stupid will infect my mind.

Seems kind of weak to have anyone blocked. Why do words frighten you?

Edit: Astenion, "unlike" this post this minute. It was a general response and not meant to lend any support to you personally.

No.

Astenion

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#65 - 2013-08-27 12:26:04 UTC | Edited by: Astenion

Back to the topic at hand, this is a nightmare scenario for the US and her allies. There will be no good outcome, as they'll be fighting for the one who will retaliate the least. It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

I echo Grimpak's thoughts on the matter. I'm a realist and not some tree-hugging hippie "let's all hold hands and get along" pacifist, but at the same time banging the drums of war is not going to defuse the situation. Why don't politicians realize that the Middle East, in their minds, has nothing to lose and everything to gain by dying?

There's simply no good answer for any of this.

Alpheias

Tactical Farmers.

Pandemic Horde

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#66 - 2013-08-27 12:30:52 UTC

Snagletooth Johnson wrote:

Alpheias wrote:

Graygor wrote:

Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.

You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?

Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".

The best cadavers are the profitable ones.
but seriously, buying stock isn't war profiteering. Buying up all the grain, then waiting until the government finally pays you 10x it's worth is war profiteering.

Sure. And buying stock, looking to profit, when the Syrian civil has been going for two years and counting, where thousands have lost their lives is just ******* dandy?

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#67 - 2013-08-27 12:31:47 UTC | Edited by: Astenion

Alpheias wrote:

Snagletooth Johnson wrote:

Alpheias wrote:

Graygor wrote:

Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.

You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?

Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".

Sure. And buying stock, looking to profit, when the Syrian civil has been going for two years and counting, where thousands have lost their lives is just ******* dandy?

Not just thousands, but over 100,000.

Think Wembley Stadium seats + over 10,000 more.

Alpheias

Tactical Farmers.

Pandemic Horde

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#68 - 2013-08-27 12:35:14 UTC

Astenion wrote:

Alpheias wrote:

Snagletooth Johnson wrote:

Alpheias wrote:

Graygor wrote:

Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.

You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?

Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".

Sure. And buying stock, looking to profit, when the Syrian civil has been going for two years and counting, where thousands have lost their lives is just ******* dandy?

Not just thousands, but over 100,000.

Oh, gee. Thanks! That makes me feel so much better about the human lives lost.

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#69 - 2013-08-27 12:38:23 UTC | Edited by: Astenion

Alpheias wrote:

Oh, gee. Thanks! That makes me feel so much better about the human lives lost.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad, just put things in perspective at how much of an atrocity it is. What's more, thousands more will die if there is a war, only now we know there are chemical weapons in play.

At least you actually feel bad about something, unlike those who go on about their day blissfully ignorant as long as it doesn't affect them.


Astenion University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 412	#70 - 2013-08-27 12:45:26 UTC And now the false flag tinfoil hat-wearers are coming out en masse, gleefully linking their Alex Jones-esque websites on facebook.

Graygor

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#71 - 2013-08-27 12:46:09 UTC

Like i said i served in an armoured brigade so my knowledge of aerial matters is limited. But from my interaction with IAF officers in the mess was that the US tends to go for the multi-pronged approach with various sources of attack and basically overwhelm the enemy. While Israel which lacks the punch of the USAF goes for under the radar surgical strikes which are fast and as quiet as possible. Vis a vis the Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007 (that publicly even shocked washington in public at least) or Saddam in the 80s. Or the recent weapons shipments to Syria.

It wasnt a criticism of the American air force, just an observation from what IAF officers have told me and a few of the serving US crews who came over. They tended to be put through their paces well by the IAF teams who did this sort of things for a living and often finish with a hell of a lot of respect for their Israeli counterparts.

Either way, I'd prefer everyone to stay out of this. God knows what Hezbollah and the IRGC will do in Lebanon and the Persian gulf. And as someone who has a lot of family and friends in Northern Israel id rather not find out.

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Alpheias

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#72 - 2013-08-27 12:48:24 UTC

Astenion wrote:

Alpheias wrote:

Oh, gee. Thanks! That makes me feel so much better about the human lives lost.

Feel bad? My friend, I am beyond enraged.

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#73 - 2013-08-27 12:49:14 UTC

Alpheias wrote:

Snagletooth Johnson wrote:

Alpheias wrote:

Graygor wrote:

Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.

You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?

Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".

Sure. And buying stock, looking to profit, when the Syrian civil has been going for two years and counting, where thousands have lost their lives is just ******* dandy?

So do all the pension schemes etc and other investment funds which take care of millions of people in the west. They follow the money and buy low sell high just like private individuals. Therefore pension funds could be said to be blood money.

Only way to not make money off anothers suffering if to basically do everything yourself and go on a subsistence living.

Im not trying to justify it, but thats how the world works.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Alpheias

Tactical Farmers.

Pandemic Horde

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#74 - 2013-08-27 12:52:10 UTC

Graygor wrote:

Like i said i served in an armoured brigade so my knowledge of aerial matters is limited. But from my interaction with IAF officers in the mess was that the US tends to go for the multi-pronged approach with various sources of attack and basically overwhelm the enemy. While Israel which lacks the punch of the USAF goes for under the radar surgical strikes which are fast and as quiet as possible. Vis a vis the Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007 (that publicly even shocked washington in public at least) or ****** in the 80s. Or the recent weapons shipments to Syria.

It wasnt a criticism of the American air force, just an observation from what IAF officers have told me and a few of the serving US crews who came over. They tended to be put through their paces well by the IAF teams who did this sort of things for a living and often finish with a hell of a lot of respect for their Israeli counterparts.

Either way, I'd prefer everyone to stay out of this. God knows what Hezbollah and the IRGC will do in Lebanon and the Persian gulf. And as someone who has a lot of family and friends in Northern Israel id rather not find out.

What is the matter, Graygor? Family not worth losing for all the money that you are making?

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#75 - 2013-08-27 12:55:23 UTC | Edited by: Astenion

Graygor wrote:

Like i said i served in an armoured brigade so my knowledge of aerial matters is limited. But from my interaction with IAF officers in the mess was that the US tends to go for the multi-pronged approach with various sources of attack and basically overwhelm the enemy. While Israel which lacks the punch of the USAF goes for under the radar surgical strikes which are fast and as quiet as possible. Vis a vis the Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007 (that publicly even shocked washington in public at least) or ****** in the 80s. Or the recent weapons shipments to Syria.

It wasnt a criticism of the American air force, just an observation from what IAF officers have told me and a few of the serving US crews who came over. They tended to be put through their paces well by the IAF teams who did this sort of things for a living and often finish with a hell of a lot of respect for their Israeli counterparts.

Either way, I'd prefer everyone to stay out of this. God knows what Hezbollah and the IRGC will do in Lebanon and the Persian gulf. And as someone who has a lot of family and friends in Northern Israel id rather not find out.

Ah, it's clear now. Your original post made it sound like you were armchair general-ing USAF employment doctrine. Hope I wasn't too harsh.

The US still uses the Wild Weasel approach when it has to, but standoff weapons prove much more capable with much less risk. While HARMs aren't the most effective munitions, combined with the HTS (HARM Targeting System), they can still get the job done. OCA (Offensive Counter Air) and Interdiction missions are a Viper pilot's bread and butter. The problem with "going under the radar" is that you're going at extremely low altitude and it makes you very susceptible to MANPADs (Man Portable Air Defense System), i.e., the equivalent of a stinger launcher....and they're actually very effective. When you've got two AGM-65 Mavericks on each wing, you can't get crazy with maneuvering without jettisoning the munitions or else you'll over-G the jet.

For really surgical strikes, it's just best to launch a Tomahawk cruise missile from an Aegis Destroyer, or use a drone. Manned aircraft like Vipers, Strike Eagles, Super Hornets, etc. are better suited for CAS missions.

Alpheias

Tactical Farmers.

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#76 - 2013-08-27 12:57:06 UTC

Graygor wrote:

I rather go on subsistence living than be a part of a sick, despicable system. Thank you.

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#77 - 2013-08-27 13:02:27 UTC

First of all, oil has very little to do with Syria overall. Its based off unknowns regarding Iran for the most part based on how they might react to a US strike and the threat to tankers in the gulf as Iran has threatened to close the straits of Hormuz multiple times should they be drawn into a conflict in the USA.

It all revolves around fear. The peak oil times of 2007/08 had nothing to do with conflict, it was rampant speculation based on fear. The same way everything works.

And buying oil futures is based on my clients needs. You may as well go and rail at all those involved in the financial sectors who play eve. The world isnt a nice place.

Im not profiteering from Syria. I dont like the death and in a civil war both sides lose. But I still feel its not enough reason for western powers to be involved. According to polls in the states theres only a 9-12% backing for an invasion of Syria. Hardly mass support is it? Id imagine Europe feels the same.

The Saudis and Jordanians have lots of pricey toys, they should try using them for once rather than cheering onward christian soldier like they have been since the first gulf war.

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Alpheias

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#78 - 2013-08-27 13:06:35 UTC

Graygor wrote:

My sincerest apologies, Graygor. Your initial comment about investing in oil stock made it sound like you were looking to make money off the war in Syria and it literally made me see red.

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#79 - 2013-08-27 13:10:36 UTC

Astenion wrote:

Graygor wrote:

Like i said i served in an armoured brigade so my knowledge of aerial matters is limited. But from my interaction with IAF officers in the mess was that the US tends to go for the multi-pronged approach with various sources of attack and basically overwhelm the enemy. While Israel which lacks the punch of the USAF goes for under the radar surgical strikes which are fast and as quiet as possible. Vis a vis the Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007 (that publicly even shocked washington in public at least) or ****** in the 80s. Or the recent weapons shipments to Syria.

It wasnt a criticism of the American air force, just an observation from what IAF officers have told me and a few of the serving US crews who came over. They tended to be put through their paces well by the IAF teams who did this sort of things for a living and often finish with a hell of a lot of respect for their Israeli counterparts.

Either way, I'd prefer everyone to stay out of this. God knows what Hezbollah and the IRGC will do in Lebanon and the Persian gulf. And as someone who has a lot of family and friends in Northern Israel id rather not find out.

Ah, it's clear now. Your original post made it sound like you were armchair general-ing USAF employment doctrine. Hope I wasn't too harsh.

The former dictator of Iraq is blanked??? Come on!

I figured you were ex USAF whod cache'd out and if memory serves are living in Italy now (if thats right... pretty sure it was you who went on at length about pizza a few months back, forgive me if im wrong). So i figured you were just giving me the benefit of your experience which if you are ex USAF would be greater than mine.

And in regards to armchair generalling, nope, 5 years in the IDF in an arrmoured brigade in the north. 2 active and 3 reserve due to being wounded while on active service. Kind of worried now about call ups. We've been having notices emailed to us every few days to stand by. Keeps you on edge. Mrs has only just left the IDF Medical Corps and got the same notice as me. So our bags are packed along with the Israeli guys in my office. We get the notice we're on the first plane out to a friendly local country and find out way back from there.

I know that in event of the guano hitting the fan that the IAF will be the front edge but the armour will be right behind it if there is a chemical attack on Haifa or TA or Jerusalem.

God knows what will happen then.

I doubt the USA can bribe Bibi to keep quiet like they did in the 90s when the Iraqis were firing scuds en masse to provoke a response. Not with Bennet in the cabinet.

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#80 - 2013-08-27 13:17:44 UTC

Alpheias wrote:

My sincerest apologies, Graygor. Your initial comment about investing in oil stock made it sound like you were looking to make money off the war in Syria and it literally made me see red.

Believe me, if i ever become like a Wall Street shark ill be blowing my own brains out.

I can understand your disgust with war profiteers. I have the same feeling about the bastards in Israel who are hoarding ABC kits and causing a shortage which is beyond sickening.

I'm actually one of the nice people who plays eve

years of being rocketed, bombed and getting sniped at made me a carebear in eve and out. Ive had enough of RL pvp thank you.

Although market pvp in RL and Eve is all fair game. Pirate

Im an analyst by trade. So i have to study this crap. One of the negatives of being an analyst (not a financial one, i study RL events and their impacts) is that if you arent a dyed in the wool realist you just cant hack it.

I may come off as unfeeling but if you cant shield yourself where can you draw the line? You'd just end up crying the whole time. People who pride ignorance of the fact is no excuse, least I can say I know the nature of the beast and accept it.

Thats not leveled at you. Just those who think the world is all fine and dandy when it patently isnt.

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"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

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