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The Providence region

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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#21 - 2011-11-01 09:22:17 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
Vaari wrote:
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:

And as for heresy in this day and age, more important than one's personal beliefs are his actions. And actions, not beliefs should dictate whether or not you're blue or should be awarded a spot on any Providence alliance holders' KOS. Just saying...


Only heretics does not care if their misguided thoughts are heresy. We, true believers know better.


I've tried to be patient and I've tried to be kind but your dancing on the last inch of some not so sturdy ice.

Tread lightly.


Learn patience, for it is virtue for the young.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-01 09:36:20 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Be wary, though, for CVA is indiscriminate and unforgiving. If a small fleet from a corporation commits even a single act of violence in the region, a corporation of hundreds can find itself flagged "kill on sight" for months, resulting in new recruits finding themselves flagged hostile in a case of guilt by association. I have seen this happen to friends who had little recourse but to vacate Providence because they were recruited into a corp which CVA deemed "unacceptable" according to their self-appointed laws.

But yes, if you want to live under the thumb of an oppressive regime which levels heavy fines for the crime of daring to speak in local, or naming your ship something which they have deemed inappropriate, or any of the myriad other abusrdities for which CVA pet alliances and their members might be fined, go ahead and live in Providence.

I would suggest that it is not that people fear Providence, but that they see it for what it is: an area more restrictive and rule-bound than highsec, yet vulnerable to roaming gangs which CVA itself struggles to repel. They can't even prevent camps on the HED-GP gate and yet pretend to have some sort of significance in the region. The last time any of my group operated there, we enjoyed resounding success in our war against a CVA tenant.


I don't think I've seen a more accurate and amusing summary of CVA's flailing impotence in months. My hat, if I ever wore one, would be doffed for you, good sir.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#23 - 2011-11-01 09:37:35 UTC
Worms like you will not conquer my congregation and your lies are empty as your soul.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.

Kra RA
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#24 - 2011-11-01 11:24:18 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Worms like you will not conquer my congregation and your lies are empty as your soul.



Lord Vaari just earned place in my prayers.

Dogs like Ixiris should learn when its time to shut up and learn some actual details of how laws function under The Citadel.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-11-01 11:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Khazarn Areth
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Be wary, though, for CVA is indiscriminate and unforgiving. If a small fleet from a corporation commits even a single act of violence in the region, a corporation of hundreds can find itself flagged "kill on sight" for months, resulting in new recruits finding themselves flagged hostile in a case of guilt by association. I have seen this happen to friends who had little recourse but to vacate Providence because they were recruited into a corp which CVA deemed "unacceptable" according to their self-appointed laws.

But yes, if you want to live under the thumb of an oppressive regime which levels heavy fines for the crime of daring to speak in local, or naming your ship something which they have deemed inappropriate, or any of the myriad other abusrdities for which CVA pet alliances and their members might be fined, go ahead and live in Providence.

I would suggest that it is not that people fear Providence, but that they see it for what it is: an area more restrictive and rule-bound than highsec, yet vulnerable to roaming gangs which CVA itself struggles to repel. They can't even prevent camps on the HED-GP gate and yet pretend to have some sort of significance in the region. The last time any of my group operated there, we enjoyed resounding success in our war against a CVA tenant.


I don't think I've seen a more accurate and amusing summary of CVA's flailing impotence in months. My hat, if I ever wore one, would be doffed for you, good sir.


I believe i have to agree with you this time Mr Ixiris on this gentlemans accurate description.

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Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#26 - 2011-11-01 20:23:12 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Be wary, though, for CVA is indiscriminate and unforgiving. If a small fleet from a corporation commits even a single act of violence in the region, a corporation of hundreds can find itself flagged "kill on sight" for months, resulting in new recruits finding themselves flagged hostile in a case of guilt by association. I have seen this happen to friends who had little recourse but to vacate Providence because they were recruited into a corp which CVA deemed "unacceptable" according to their self-appointed laws.


Our space, our laws, just like any nullsec Sovereignty Holder. CVA are vastly more accommodating to random neutrals than your usual 0.0 entity, to our own repeated detriment and cost.

If you doubt that fact, come on by QBL (if you're not already red to CVA, which I’m guessing you are), and start running our Cosmic Anoms and ratting our belts. See how much trouble you get in from CVA.
As for your other argument, Corps and Alliances are responsible for the actions of their members. If you kill CVA, CVA allies or Neutrals in Provi, there is no shortage of ways to not become red, easiest of which is to repay the loss to the victim. I know, total like Tyranny of the Evil CVA, man, dude, I get it. Alternatively, the corp in question can kick the pilot who’s pirating if he’s such a doofus as to cause political problems for the corp.
But yes, come into Provi killing whomever you like, and you’ll end up red, and we’ll try and kill you and your corp from then on. Seems rather logical and strait forward to me, given it’s our and our allies space, eh?

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But yes, if you want to live under the thumb of an oppressive regime which levels heavy fines for the crime of daring to speak in local, or naming your ship something which they have deemed inappropriate, or any of the myriad other abusrdities for which CVA pet alliances and their members might be fined, go ahead and live in Providence.


What a load of steaming malarky. I've flown in and with CVA for well over 5 years, and not once have I ever seen or heard of someone being hurt for local talk or ship names. But if you are a NPC corp. guy, named “Pirate Lover!” with a bio proclaiming your deep love of pirates, and are shadowing a CVA or Allied fleet, and refuse to leave when asked in local, yes, you will likely be killed. How horrible, to have been shot for proclaiming loudly your love of pirates, or being asked to not spy on a fleet, eh?

Let me put it simply, don't like our spaces rules, go sod yourself and fly ins omeone elses space. You certainly have that freedom. Nullsec is a big place, I'm sure you'll find lots of Alliances more friendly to Neutrals than CVA, amirite?

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I would suggest that it is not that people fear Providence, but that they see it for what it is: an area more restrictive and rule-bound than highsec, yet vulnerable to roaming gangs which CVA itself struggles to repel.


So it;s not enough that CVA provide an open and safe haven for neutrals in nullsec that those neutral leaches can enjoy without any requirement to help support or defend, we in CVA also have to save them from their own ignorance and stupidity as well, and protect their ratting ships from every roaming red-fleet?

Give it a friggin’ rest. It's attitude like that that always made me promote and end to NBSI coddling in CVA Space. People like that don't deserve protection, they deserve the hull aflame.

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They can't even prevent camps on the HED-GP gate and yet pretend to have some sort of significance in the region.


HED-GP isn't in Provi you ignorant moron, and has never been a part of the Providence Mandate, and certainly never been a place where we tried to "stop camps".

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The last time any of my group operated there, we enjoyed resounding success in our war against a CVA tenant.


Yes, everyone has success against CVA and Provi locals, and yet CVA always ends up in control of Provi anyway. Funny how that works out.

Like I said, don’t like CVA Space, fly elsewhere, or come on in and kill us. Best of luck either way. I hear the Goons like Neutrals in their space, maybe you should try there for a change of pace from CVA Space.
Vik Kalothetos
#27 - 2011-11-01 22:58:07 UTC
"Lord" Vaari.. It's been a rough few days. Thank you for lightening my mood a bit with all this. How anyone with real power over Providence has dealt with you this long is incredibly amusing to me.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-11-01 23:59:09 UTC
Kra RA wrote:
Dogs like Ixiris should learn when its time to shut up and learn some actual details of how laws function under The Citadel.


It's always fun when I strike a nerve. You Amarrians have such a temper on you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Codo Yagari
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2011-11-02 10:25:03 UTC
Providence is by far the most safe, protected and open 0.0 sec space in the entire galaxy. I think most of us who have been around are fully aware of this, and that all you people grumping and complaining about how bad and tyrannical it is there are somehow just seriously jealous.

Regarding the protection of the region against piracy, as a relatively active Fleet Commander in Providence I must say I do not think there are many criminals left in Providence that give us any serious problems these days. There are of course some of the mega-pirate-blocks with ridiculous amounts of resources they in no doubt aquired by the blood of the innocent, that do create some issues. But time has shown that patience, dedication and resiliance survivies and thriumps against military might, and I have full faith this will continue to be the case.

Honour and Decency!
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2011-11-02 10:58:27 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
Kra RA wrote:

Dogs like Ixiris should learn when its time to shut up and learn some actual details of how laws function under The Citadel.


Like how you're Citadel laws support the theft of twenty billion isk... Pathetic.

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Teraa Matar
#31 - 2011-11-02 11:13:25 UTC
Lucius Vindictus wrote:

Providence according to Vaari


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Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#32 - 2011-11-02 15:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
John Revenent wrote:
Kra RA wrote:

Dogs like Ixiris should learn when its time to shut up and learn some actual details of how laws function under The Citadel.


Like how you're Citadel laws support the theft of twenty billion isk... Pathetic.

Honour and Decency INDEED!


Oh don't start that up again. we still have the logs saying we did nothing wrong.

Let it rest.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#33 - 2011-11-02 16:08:14 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:

What a load of steaming malarky. I've flown in and with CVA for well over 5 years, and not once have I ever seen or heard of someone being hurt for local talk or ship names. But if you are a NPC corp. guy, named “Pirate Lover!” with a bio proclaiming your deep love of pirates, and are shadowing a CVA or Allied fleet, and refuse to leave when asked in local, yes, you will likely be killed. How horrible, to have been shot for proclaiming loudly your love of pirates, or being asked to not spy on a fleet, eh?


I have a funny story about that, actually. About a year ago, I was in a corp neutral to CVA. One day, a friend from another corp and I were roaming around and entered Providence through R3- to find a neutral on the gate. "Oh goody!" I thought, "Let the mayhem begin!" I targeted him, he targeted me, and I began shooting him. At this point, he shoots back and starts yelling in local about how he's being shot by a pirate on the R3- gate.

This (local intel) was the first sign of delicious action. I stopped firing, and soon a combined force of CVA + friends landed on top of us. To appearances, it looked like he was shooting me, and I wasn't doing anything wrong. I claimed this to be the case. The neutral strongly protested, but my friend (who had jumped in in the meantime) supported my story, giving it more "credibility". CVA then shot and killed the innocent neutral, without any further proof needed, and my friend and I laughed about it the rest of the evening.

So yeah, local talk can and has gotten people killed. Despite the impression they want to give, CVA are not the CONCORD of nullsec. Policing nullsec under NRDS is hard work, which is probably why CVA consider themselves entitled to acting like lords over everyone living there, while charging really stupid sums of ISK (Provi is the only place I have ever seen a docking fee) and not even having the decency to be on the front line of defending the region when it gets invaded (see the "Providence Burns" campaign of early 2010).

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Yes, everyone has success against CVA and Provi locals, and yet CVA always ends up in control of Provi anyway. Funny how that works out.


It's very funny. Your definition of "control," I mean.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#34 - 2011-11-02 17:18:48 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Our beloved region, the Providence is open territory to all decent folk from all cults and religions as long they keep their heresy secret.


You welcome heretics so long as they don't make a scene? Interesting. So what was your opinion of the formerly breathing Chamberlain Karsoth?

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Codo Yagari
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#35 - 2011-11-02 20:42:00 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

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and my friend and I laughed about it the rest of the evening.


And what makes you think that someone so bereft of decency and honour as yourself would be taken seriously by anyone? You seriously imply that someone that kill innocents for fun by deceit and malice, without any greater concern, should have any say at all in the Intergalactic Summit? In fact you are trying to make it look like a major issue that CVA sometimes makes mistakes when trying to uphold justice, when you yourself even deliberately emphasize the murder of the innocent.

What could be more perverted?

Lets please get back to sanity and ignore the chestpounding self-righteous NBSI symphatizers of New Eden who seem to think it is a crime if you're not a cold hearted murderer.

Sheesh.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#36 - 2011-11-02 20:57:49 UTC
Codo Yagari wrote:

Lets please get back to sanity and ignore the chestpounding self-righteous NBSI symphatizers of New Eden who seem to think it is a crime if you're not a cold hearted murderer.


Struck a nerve, have I. If CVA were a simple well-meaning entity that did their best to ensure safety in a 0.0 region (a daunting task) I would not have anything against them. Hell, I might even help them.

But no, they are pompous self-entitled idiots who are attempting to expand the Amarr Empire's influence to what was, before they touched it, a region of free (as in "freedom") space. Worse, they have proven time and again that they won't help those they so generously lord over and claim power over in instances small (red roamers) or large (invasion), instead preferring to use their serfs (for lack of a better term) as meatshields while they profit off war sales and cover their own ass(ets).

I do not disagree that getting them to kill someone they were supposed to be protecting is harsh. It is, and it is meant to be. But it is also meant to deliver a message. If I simply told that neutral about who he is really depending on for safety, he likely would not have listened. Get his so called protectors to unjustly shoot him, though, and he will not only likely not come back being friendly to them, but his friends probably won't either.

When a single life is all your audience has, expending it to make a point is counterproductive: you end up with no audience. Among capsuleers, though, a life wasted is a lesson learned and a life well spent.

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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#37 - 2011-11-03 08:49:17 UTC
Kithrus wrote:

Oh don't start that up again. we still have the logs saying we did nothing wrong.

Let it rest.


There have been no logs provided of any transaction regarding payment, if there was why have you not sent them to us.. unless of course you are stupid, and like being called theifs thus spoiling your "good guy" reputation you hold so dear.

It will rest when you pay your debts, with isk, or with salvage collected from your hulls.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Codo Yagari
Cohortes Vigilum
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#38 - 2011-11-03 09:42:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Codo Yagari
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Struck a nerve, have I.


You better believe it. Your kind is the scum and the reason why we sometimes shoot neutrals by mistake or for safety in Providence. If your kind didnt exist, peace would reign throughout the galaxy.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
If CVA were a simple well-meaning entity that did their best to ensure safety in a 0.0 region (a daunting task) I would not have anything against them. Hell, I might even help them.


I doubt very much they would accept the help from someone that takes pleasure and laughs an entire night over having been able by treachery and deceit to cause innocent blood. You certainly lack clear vision of judgement.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
But no, they are pompous self-entitled idiots who are attempting to expand the Amarr Empire's influence to what was, before they touched it, a region of free (as in "freedom") space. Worse, they have proven time and again that they won't help those they so generously lord over and claim power over in instances small (red roamers) or large (invasion), instead preferring to use their serfs (for lack of a better term) as meatshields while they profit off war sales and cover their own ass(ets).


Your accusations are like a deadly virus complaining that a standalone sneeze is simply too much and should not be allowed to exist!

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I do not disagree that getting them to kill someone they were supposed to be protecting is harsh. It is, and it is meant to be. But it is also meant to deliver a message. If I simply told that neutral about who he is really depending on for safety, he likely would not have listened. Get his so called protectors to unjustly shoot him, though, and he will not only likely not come back being friendly to them, but his friends probably won't either.


Ah, so you try to deceive the neutral into thinking CVA are evil killers when in fact you were behind the whole incident the whole time, CVA only acting out of a sense of trying to keep order and justice! You are certainly a fool who lacks proper vision. Again you show that murdering an innocent means little to you. When in fact the lives of the innocent is what is most important!

Why dont you complain about the mega-pirate-blocks continuous murder throughout the galaxy? Their tyrannical NBSI and constant murdering, ceaselessly harassing high sec with their never-ending bribery to Concord so they can continue to attack harmless industrialists in high sec, claiming most of the wealth everywhere by the blood of the innocent! It is obvious that these mega pirate NBSI pirate blocks are the REAL problem of New Eden, who are the instigators of pointless wars and mass-murder throughout, yet you chose to attack CVA, the strongest protector of probably the single remaining NRDS 0.0 sec region, where neutrals are more or less free to come and go as they please, something that one would NEVER see in any other 0.0 sec region because of fear of being killed. Here we have defence fleets up on a daily basis to protect all (and that includes neutrals) against these said NBSI tyrants who like to roam through the sector looking for their easy daily kill-thrill.

Why dont you complain about issues such as these, that are apparently thousands of times worse than any transgression CVA has ever commited???

Your whole argumentation is a joke, and noone that believes in NRDS should listen to mad propaganda such as yours, it is nothing but a foul whine.
Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#39 - 2011-11-03 10:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
John Revenent wrote:
Kithrus wrote:

Oh don't start that up again. we still have the logs saying we did nothing wrong.

Let it rest.


There have been no logs provided of any transaction regarding payment, if there was why have you not sent them to us.. unless of course you are stupid, and like being called thief thus spoiling your "good guy" reputation you hold so dear.

It will rest when you pay your debts, with isk, or with salvage collected from your hulls.


Lord Hardin has proof, and I'm quite sure Lord Aralis as well which I find it amusing last time you brought it up was after his departure hoping maybe to twist the arms of the new leadership were you?

As for our reputation do you honestly think we really care what you think at this time? Your wrong for one, your not getting anything back for second and third as for shooting us? Get in line. Your not the first group of trigger happy thugs we dealt with and you most certainly won't be the last.

Do yourself a favor and put it behind you like good little children and go do something productive.

You were paid back stop pretending you weren't and more importantly hoping we lost whatever records we have as more of our veterans go into retirement like Lord Aralis.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#40 - 2011-11-03 11:30:01 UTC
Kithrus wrote:

your not getting anything back .


So you admit we were never paid.

Kithrus wrote:

Lord Hardin has proof


He should have taken the time to talk to me then, instead we got incompetent lackeys like yourself who would tell us one thing then another. Pathetic really.

Kithrus wrote:

You were paid back stop pretending you weren't and more importantly hoping we lost whatever records we have as more of our veterans go into retirement like Lord Aralis


Aralis gave no proof the last time we asked, he continued to state he would look into it.. of course nothing changed.

Kithrus wrote:

as for shooting us? Get in line.


Its your own choice really, we even offered for a 5 year payment plan.. even went to the lengths to removing CVA of their debt for free, so long as they acknowledged it. Instead you hide behind lies.. like children.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."