EVE General Discussion

So this is your main? You're quite happy to shiptoast, but unwilling to suffer the consequences, so you hide behind an NPC corps skirt.

{sarcasm} I envy your fortitude and bravery. {/sarcasm}

Who the hell scans Retrievers? 2 Catalysts will kill a Retriever in a 0.8 before Concord turns up regardless of the tank, unless of course Concord are already present on the field.

If they wouldn't come up to the ice fields, how were they scanning Retrievers?
Have Goons got access to a magical device that scans ship fits over a vast distance?

I'm 90% sure they wouldn't waste their time scanning Retrievers. They'd scan Mackinaws, Orcas & Hulks yes, Retrievers nope, and in all likelihood they'd be doing it with unaffiliated scouts.

I wish, but no, not a Goon alt, I've flown with a few on occasion and read TMC, but other than that I have no links with Goonswarm, or any of their subsidiaries. As far as 99.99% of Goons are concerned I'm highsec pubbie scum.

You talk the talk, now leave your NPC corp and walk the walk, lets see how long you last. Assuming, of course, that Rekon X is your main as you claim and not just a disposable shiptoasting alt.
Or are you all mouth and no trousers?

lol.. in other words "Damn, I can't refute that point so I will just come up with an insult"

Classic :)

"History is written by the victors" ~ unknown, but commonly attributed to Winston Churchill.

hehe, nice hiding in plain sight, I thought as much and pointed out in my followup post, I've done it myself for the NO guys using a Procurer. But seriously scanning Retrievers? Waste of a scout when you can scan them with blasters and get the desired result every time.

Hehe.. I knew you couldn't resist :)

As for not fighting CFC.. why should people do that.

No other alliance has nearly as much isk or number of people willing to get up at 3am to play a computer game.

Also NC, PL. Nulli. Solar, CFC etc are all alike.

Nobody will drop supers unless they are damn sure they will win the fight and have lots of people on standby if somebody goes wrong.

That is why you guys were bashing structures with SB and not supers.

Nothing wrong with that, you would have to be a moron to drop supers without a ton of support.

Civil war would require there to be a cohesive faction within GSF or the CFC which is loyal to itself but disloyal to the whole. While such a faction is undoubtedly possible, I have not heard of it; moreover, if such a faction did exist it would have to be better than the best diplomatic and counterintelligence teams in the game at diplomacy and counterintelligence. That's a tall order. There arises an issue that the fledgling faction would most likely be snuffed out, its instigators and collaborators excised before it could develop into a large movement. Such an entity would have to materialize out of whole cloth, which is honestly unreasonable.



You speak as though each entity in the CFC is entirely independent of each other. This is false. Rather than each entity in the CFC being a variably-sized copy of its neighbor, each alliance and corporation tends to have different specialties. Goonwaffe is of course the posting backbone of the entire CFC, while Wildly Inappropriate bears the burden of being the CFC's worst posters. Certain corporations have vastly more supercapitals than others, both per capita and in absolute numbers; certain corporations, or even entire alliances, completely lack veteran fleet commanders; some have very well-developed logistical arms and production infrastructures in place, while others are entirely focused on fielding small gangs of cloaking ships behind enemy lines; and so on. Knowing each other's capabilities would certainly be an advantage to a civil war, but it is also a great deterrent to war within the CFC: through cooperation, these specialized entities are capable of doing more, both in terms of total numbers and in terms of competence in various activities, than any of them individually could.


"Poco" is short for the Customs Offices each planet has, for picking up PI products.

Within the CFC we have limited fleet size when certain fleet commanders have arranged "honor brawls," or "good fights," against a particular enemy commander. For much of the Fountain Campaign, we intentionally limited fleet size to allow us to actually get fights with the roaming gangs, so that we could spare ourselves from what TEST line members called, "The Archie," in which one particular fleet commander would routinely form up, take his fleet towards our staging area, and then immediately stand down if he was presented with equal numbers or a doctrine that could reasonably engage him. We gave the enemy fights, just to have something to do, and we were able to do that because our enemy's staging point was close to our staging point. We could each form up a fleet, throw it at each other's stragglers and ratters, and then either engage or flee from the enemy's fleet.

But when it came down to big fights, we both did our best to win. We each called for global broadcasts among our allies, and we both made big boasts about how big our fleets would be. We could do this because we were each big entities, and yet despite the fact that we were big we were somehow able to have not only fights but also an entire 2-month war. Fun was had by all, even the losers, because losing in a space battle is more fun than mining or shooting rats. The idea that we cannot get fights and cannot provoke a war based on our size or our tactics is provably misguided. All it would take would be for the aggressor, be it the CFC or an enemy, to forge a beachhead in the other's space to use as a staging point.

Arguments in this vein are analogous to arguments against, "the blob," which have cropped up on these forums for the entirety of the time that I've been playing. Blah blah blah, dishonorable blobbers, yadda yadda. So what? In the past five years that I have been reading these forums, fights have happened and history has been made, in spite of and arguably because of, "the blob." Anyone who fights, and who isn't an Empire mission runner on a day trip through low sec, is in it to win. Whether it is a single engagement, a faction warfare objective, the battles for a single system, or an entire war theater, people are trying to win and one of the simplest and most historically valuable elements available to humans is to throw more people at the problem. Whether or not that creates a problem, and whether or not removing that tendency would help to resolve it, is irrelevant: people are not going to intentionally hobble themselves by limiting fleet, alliance, or coalition size when things matter.

Not to mention the fact that Siege Fleet engages more people across a wider range of experience with the game, and also provides even brand new players the joy of smugly posting a 50 Cent gif in local when defends show up and we bridge out to another system 15 jumps away.