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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-08-26 04:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Na Und wrote:
Thank you for sharing. Is there a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe.

I realize this isn't exactly a new sentiment, and that's kind of my point.

Most of the entities in this game claim to enjoy fighting to some degree more than they enjoy the trappings of success. Battle reports across the game love to crow about good fights, about killboard stats, and so on. While those particular metrics of fun or success do not generally matter to me or to most goons the alternative is a boring peace where the only action in a given day is a small roaming gang that comes through and leaves before anyone can be bothered to report it much less form up and fight it.

Fear, according to Frank Herbert's Dune, is the mind-killer. I disagree: it's boredom.

This is a game about spaceships and space men shooting each other in space! We should be moving on from the Fountain Campaign to the next. War brings with it multiple fleets per day, of various doctrines, that everyone from a day old newbie to a bitter veteran can join or command. That sort of thing is good for the game, good for the economy, good for the press, and so on. In short, everyone wins when everyone is fighting (except for the loser, but no one likes a loser anyway). War brings with it a reason to log in, a reason to have several covops and scout accounts subscribed, and in general things to do that are much more emergent and engaging than PVE content can provide.

So let's have a war!



I have an idea that may appeal to you. If you want a rip roaring drag-down, hair-pulling, face-kicking, no-holds-barred war, then have a good ol' fashioned civil war. The fearsome animosity that is created in any civil division makes for some of the most vicious fighting anywhere. Everything from divorces all the way up to civil wars are some of the most contentious. I think you'll have a blast!

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-08-26 04:46:38 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.

Declare war on eve, Start destroying every poco you see, you're bound to ruffle some jimmies and get the blood flowing again.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-08-26 04:46:52 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Thought you folks were conducting some sort of economic "warfare", a la nitropes and such ? Not quite the same thing, I know, but I do understand what a pain it is when "we threw a war, and nobody showed up". Roll


I have done an awful lot of mining in the past few weeks, a good portion of it ice. I am certainly appreciating the better prices wrought by the economic warfare and ice interdiction.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-08-26 04:49:03 UTC
Spergie Scrublord wrote:
The OP, a member of the most powerful alliance in the game - the one that openly and proudly scams, schemes, backstabs and does whatever it can at any opportunity - should truly go down in the history books as the best example ever of the worst case of EVE Online's First World Problems. S/he is no doubt here on the forums presenting her case to subtly prepare us for TheMittani's next big declaration of whatever he has planned. Just a hunch, because this overblown piece of ridiculous writing smells of -- something.


I am not an official source for Goonswarm, nor do I write for TMC, nor am I otherwise (to my knowledge) a mouthpiece. I would love for you to be right, though! To have some new offensive announced within the next few days would make me happy as a clam.

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If not, nay I suggest to the OP that making an alt and sending it to Syndicate, where it is constant war with no reasons needed, might relieve her boredom.

Hell, for a serious reality check, drop out of Goonswarm and play the game like the pubbies do. ***gaaaaaaasp***

You may not be aware, but GSF actually has a pretty good presence in Syndicate.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-08-26 04:49:53 UTC
Ioci wrote:
You might want to get used to it.

No PvP consortium has the time or desire to go head to head with GSF in a decade old game for a Dotlan empire. They are too well entrenched. Even if GSF implodes, they will be replaced with a cookie cutter version of it. The game is stale. It took a decade. Most games out there take six months to get where EVE is now in terms of repeat playability.


I recall these same hollow words being said about the NC, and about the fledgling CFC.

I doubt they are any truer now.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-08-26 04:52:27 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:

Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.


I went through all the post to be sure nobody had mentioned this already.

I would think between GSF, CFC and those set to blue with these alliances and coalition that you would have an extensive bridge network setup so that getting from 1 side of the game map to the other would be nearly effortless.

Even a jump bridge express route represents many jumps and no staging system endpoint. It takes something at the alliance or coalition level to properly set up a staging system, to marshal people and supplies, etc. Wars do that. Day trips and temporary deployments do not. You can see why I yearn for the former, and am not satisfied by the latter. Fleets all day, every day in wartime is the name of the game.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-08-26 04:53:39 UTC
Nanuuk33 wrote:
Maybe if you didn't have a blue list the size of santa's naughty list, you might have more people to war against.

We have no lack of potential hostiles. What we lack if a wartime deployment, or an invasion.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-08-26 04:54:21 UTC
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
If you want a war, start a war.


I don't think I'm allowed to willfully start a diplomatic incident.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-08-26 04:56:45 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
The Baby-sitter wrote:
No hate intended - but the CFC has made EvE boring.


Soo attack the cfc? Why does all of 0.0 revolve around the cfc?


This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do? Is there no one left in EVE Online who wants to do things for "the lulz," or for the "good fights," or whatever else people are calling fun these days? Surely among the various entities still hostile to the CFC, and to GSF particularly, one of them would like to step up to the plate and show that they have the courage, and the competency, to match their convictions?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-08-26 04:57:39 UTC
Isaac Collins wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.

Declare war on eve, Start destroying every poco you see, you're bound to ruffle some jimmies and get the blood flowing again.

Who even cares about pocos?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-08-26 05:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
The Baby-sitter wrote:
No hate intended - but the CFC has made EvE boring.


Soo attack the cfc? Why does all of 0.0 revolve around the cfc?


This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do?


Sorry, as an independent, there isn't much I can do to affect CFC that much. I did give you a valid suggestion, but you seemed to have ignored it. Seriously. Have a civil war.

You guys know each other's tactics. You know your capabilities. You know where you're weak. The challenge of updating your tactics, ferreting out your weaknesses, and shoring up your capabilities against a foe who is intimately familiar with you will likely make you very happy. It will be the mother of all challenges.

Incidentally, what is a "poco"?

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#72 - 2013-08-26 05:08:32 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do? Is there no one left in EVE Online who wants to do things for "the lulz," or for the "good fights," or whatever else people are calling fun these days?
I think, if the rest of the CFC thought as you express, there would be plenty.
Not that your CVA-style "siegefleets" and the plenthora of "deny fun, make them suffer" is a bad tactic if you want to grind SOV., but if you want the war as badly as you're saying here then maybe realise that it's a game for the rest of us - a game we'd like to be fun.
I gave you the long-ish form back on page 1 or 2, but that is the gist of it.

Winning yourself to death is an odd phrase, but I think it applies to your personal wants and needs.
Anthony Blunt
Appenzeller Kantonal Bank
#73 - 2013-08-26 05:50:05 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:


Winning yourself to death is an odd phrase, but I think it applies to your personal wants and needs.


No that is not it, not really. The OP is here to gloat, nothing more nothing less. It is nauseating but there is no logical response to this breast beating.

"if you're not having fun in a sandbox, it's not the Sands fault" Jenn aSide
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-08-26 06:24:00 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Not that your CVA-style "siegefleets" and the plenthora of "deny fun, make them suffer" is a bad tactic if you want to grind SOV., but if you want the war as badly as you're saying here then maybe realise that it's a game for the rest of us - a game we'd like to be fun.


Your trash-tier alliance would never have committed a single capital or supercapital in Fountain without riding shotgun for NCdot with PL on standby.

Siegefleets are just as effective as supercarriers because the end result is a timer, whether it takes 10 minutes or 90.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Grozen
Mateber Mining and Manufacturing Company
C U L T
#75 - 2013-08-26 07:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Grozen
You want a new war and a new agressor well one thing can help with those goals, you can post here how much profit(in ISK) you make from holding your space after fees, fuel, taxes and everything else.If the numbers are good enough I'm sure eventually someone will decide to go after you, but if they suck you might be better not posting anythingBig smile

knowledge is power.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-08-26 07:51:25 UTC
Andski wrote:
You're clearly not up to speed so let me help you get there: IT Alliance, the NC and SoCo all went down despite those things all existing and giving them what you seem to believe is an insurmountable advantage


We've already had these discussions. I don't think it necessary to rehash them in your "We've won EVE!" victory thread. I mostly speak from my own theoretical knowledge base augmented by my personal experience. I can't really tell you why IT Alliance or the Northern Coalition or the Southern Coalition could not accomplish whatever it was they were trying to accomplish or could not prevent from being accomplished whatever it was they were attempting to prevent from being accomplished. (Although, I suspect it has something to do with their level of competence and lack of familiarity with the nature of warfare.)

All I know is that I'm not going to organize 10,000 people (many of which I can't stand) to lead a crusade in an internet spaceship game to defeat an opponent I am, for the most part, indifferent towards. Not unless somebody wants to pay me real currency. I also know that I sure as hell can't reinforce a CSAA by my self in any reasonable amount of time. I also know that I can't catch a dreadnought as it undocks from a station and jumps out of system, letalone kill one, not by myself. Generally, I can't do X by myself or with a small group, and I don't care enough about X to organize a larger group. So, please tell me more about how the game is fine and everything is working as intended. Or better yet, maybe you should go back to ratting in your fully upgraded system in Deklein in your reimbursable, faction fitted Mega-pwnmobile. After all, goon, you've earned it. And send The Mittani my regards.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#77 - 2013-08-26 07:56:26 UTC
Anthony Blunt wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:


Winning yourself to death is an odd phrase, but I think it applies to your personal wants and needs.


No that is not it, not really. The OP is here to gloat, nothing more nothing less. It is nauseating but there is no logical response to this breast beating.
I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you're right, maybe not. Let's withhold judgement for a little.

@Andski: You're cute.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#78 - 2013-08-26 08:28:40 UTC
How ironic can the OP get, or was it all just smug bullship and troll post I wonder?

Now, if GSF collectively grew a pair and shed the meat shield and sycophants it has surrounded itself with, then maybe you might get more fights. At the same time, how about not paying off (or attempting to) any group that is a thorn in your side. LOL, Goon Sycophants Federation is quite fitting for the CFC

But you already know this and are fearful of the consequences of such actions. Your inglorious leader prefers the meta game over actual game content, so nothing will change in the short to medium term.

OP, just on the off chance your concerns are genuine, then I suggest, whilst you seek content in high sec, you go whine on the SA forums and see what kind of response you get there, because posting on EVE-O GD isn't going to get you what you want.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-08-26 08:34:43 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
How ironic can the OP get, or was it all just smug bullship and troll post I wonder?

Now, if GSF collectively grew a pair and shed the meat shield and sycophants it has surrounded itself with, then maybe you might get more fights. At the same time, how about not paying off (or attempting to) any group that is a thorn in your side. LOL, Goon Sycophants Federation is quite fitting for the CFC

But you already know this and are fearful of the consequences of such actions. Your inglorious leader prefers the meta game over actual game content, so nothing will change in the short to medium term.

OP, just on the off chance your concerns are genuine, then I suggest, whilst you seek content in high sec, you go whine on the SA forums and see what kind of response you get there, because posting on EVE-O GD isn't going to get you what you want.


"you should create game content by simply opening yourselves up to get mopped up like TEST"

Any other amazing ideas?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#80 - 2013-08-26 08:43:25 UTC
Andski wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
How ironic can the OP get, or was it all just smug bullship and troll post I wonder?

Now, if GSF collectively grew a pair and shed the meat shield and sycophants it has surrounded itself with, then maybe you might get more fights. At the same time, how about not paying off (or attempting to) any group that is a thorn in your side. LOL, Goon Sycophants Federation is quite fitting for the CFC

But you already know this and are fearful of the consequences of such actions. Your inglorious leader prefers the meta game over actual game content, so nothing will change in the short to medium term.

OP, just on the off chance your concerns are genuine, then I suggest, whilst you seek content in high sec, you go whine on the SA forums and see what kind of response you get there, because posting on EVE-O GD isn't going to get you what you want.


"you should create game content by simply opening yourselves up to get mopped up like TEST"

Any other amazing ideas?


The "sky marshall of your heart" was the one QQ'ing about lack of content. If you have a problem speak to him/her. I merely offered the simple solution of removing that cotton wool comforter you have yourselves wrapped up in. But, you and I both know that will never happen vOv