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Reese Tek'al
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-28 23:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
I just rejoined the game. I got an email advertising some cheap Republic Fleet Stabbers at the Rens VI Moon 8 station. I went there, traded for them, and soon after found out I'd been scammed, by CCP and the GMs.

The player who scammed me, Lady Pol0 - has gotten away with this because the GM's know the trade system is broken and will do nothing to fix it.

The trade system can be exploited and used to scam players, the GM's know about it and do nothing.

I am posting this in the New Players Q&A forum so that new players will see it and know that this game is broken, full of trolls, and a waste of time that is not very fun. Also the support sucks.

It seems to me the simplicity of this scam is so apparent that to not acknowledge and fix it is the same as condoning the use of it, which the GM's and CCP most certainly do.

My question is - Why do GM's and by proxy CCP in general knowingly allow systems that are key to core gameplay (ie: trade system) to be set up in a way that allows players to change the names of items before selling them, thus scamming players out of hard earned isk?
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#2 - 2011-10-29 00:10:00 UTC
You just learned a hard lesson about EVE. You can either get mad or learn and possible get even.

Hopefully now you know that when it is too good to be true, it really IS too good to be true. Just like in the real world, which is why EVE is so awesome ! Twisted
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2011-10-29 00:21:00 UTC
1. If it seems too good to be true, it is.

2. Never trade via the trade window. Always insist on a contract.

3. Read contracts very carefully before accepting them.

4. Unsolicited bargain offers and almost everything advertised in local are scams.

I've been playing EVE for going on 3 years and I've never been scammed.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#4 - 2011-10-29 00:24:38 UTC
This isn't an exploit it is an intended game mechanic. You **** up all on your own.

The Drake is a Lie
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2011-10-29 00:39:02 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:
I just rejoined the game.



You have played before, and weren't already aware that our little slice of dystopian heaven allows... nay encourages scamming?

I call troll.

2/10 for the bites though.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Reese Tek'al
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-29 00:44:59 UTC
Okay, I totally see what you are all saying, but I still disagree.

I realize that what is or isn't considered an exploit can be controversial but in this case I'm very certain my argument is sound.

Either CCP is allowing exploitative behaviour by not fixing their trade system, or this was designed with scammers in mind.

Both are unacceptable.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-29 00:47:43 UTC
This will be dealt with!

By the way I'm running a good deal as I have acquired a lot of isk and am quitting so I'll triple any amount of isk you send to me

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#8 - 2011-10-29 00:48:20 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:
Okay, I totally see what you are all saying, but I still disagree.

I realize that what is or isn't considered an exploit can be controversial but in this case I'm very certain my argument is sound.

Either CCP is allowing exploitative behaviour by not fixing their trade system, or this was designed with scammers in mind.

Both are unacceptable.


It is the later. If you don't like it then leave cause it's not changing any time soon =D

Though CCP have put in a change or two to stop SOME scams.

The Drake is a Lie
Reese Tek'al
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-29 01:00:10 UTC
Well, let's hope they get their act together and put an end to this one as well. I've already cancelled my account, I wonder how much more business they have lost in the past and will in the future. Some people take theft seriously, others are fooling themselves.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2011-10-29 01:16:41 UTC
def a troll.
Nothing to see here, move along.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#11 - 2011-10-29 03:43:37 UTC
Thats not an exploit, thats you being too lazy to right click and check info before accepting the trade. Darwinism at work.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Mugen Dunedain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-29 04:27:24 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:
Okay, I totally see what you are all saying, but I still disagree.

I realize that what is or isn't considered an exploit can be controversial but in this case I'm very certain my argument is sound.

Either CCP is allowing exploitative behaviour by not fixing their trade system, or this was designed with scammers in mind.

Both are unacceptable.


It is the former. The trade system was designed to be as close to the real world trade system as possible. And in that trade system, exploitative behavior is possible, so it is possible in EVE. The only difference is that in New Eden, they don't have lawsuits. They have guns.
malaire
#13 - 2011-10-29 07:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Nowadays trades where you are offered normal ship renamed as faction ship instead of faction ship, should be easy to spot -- just check for that green faction-mark at top left corner of ship icon. If that mark is not there, it is not faction ship.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#14 - 2011-10-29 07:43:03 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:
The trade system can be exploited and used to scam players, the GM's know about it and do nothing.

You mean, can be used creatively in mischievous ways to entice people to get themselves into what is essentially pretty close to a classic con ?
And what exactly would you EXPECT the GMs to do ? The trade system works EXACTLY AS INTENDED.
Unless you have a better idea of how the trade system SHOULD work in a different way with regards to the effects of the "margin trading" skill (and no, "removing the skill" is not a valid option) AND are prepared to defend it from an economic and game mechanics standpoint, you're barking up the completely wrong tree.

The big kicker ? The person that gets "scammed" this way CAN ACTUALLY SCAM THE SCAMMER BACK, all within the exact same system.
Ask around how, I bet there's plenty of people that can explain. Yes, there's a risk in it too, some guesswork too... and you need enough additional liquid ISK, but it's quite doable.
So, no, the scammer can not pull this off risk-free. There's actual risk involved.
Feel free to become an anti-margin-scam activist AND become rich in the process too. Are you up for it ?

So, basically, even if the system is not perfect, the GMs should do absolutely nothing either way, because a counter to that scam exists (one that hurts wannabe scammers), and the "warning signs" for it are fairly obvious too.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2011-10-29 08:18:25 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:
I just rejoined the game. I got an email advertising some cheap Republic Fleet Stabbers at the Rens VI Moon 8 station. I went there, traded for them, and soon after found out I'd been scammed, by CCP and the GMs.

The player who scammed me, Lady Pol0 - has gotten away with this because the GM's know the trade system is broken and will do nothing to fix it.

The trade system can be exploited and used to scam players, the GM's know about it and do nothing.

I am posting this in the New Players Q&A forum so that new players will see it and know that this game is broken, full of trolls, and a waste of time that is not very fun. Also the support sucks.

It seems to me the simplicity of this scam is so apparent that to not acknowledge and fix it is the same as condoning the use of it, which the GM's and CCP most certainly do.

My question is - Why do GM's and by proxy CCP in general knowingly allow systems that are key to core gameplay (ie: trade system) to be set up in a way that allows players to change the names of items before selling them, thus scamming players out of hard earned isk?



You got scammed because you thought you were taking advantage of another player who didn't know enough to offer a reasonable price. Given that your attempt to take advantage of someone else led to you being rooked in turn, it's difficult to understand why you think we should sympathise with you.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Reese Tek'al
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-29 10:00:40 UTC
No, I believed I was getting a good deal. Nothing like that.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#17 - 2011-10-29 10:04:36 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:


The trade system can be exploited and used to scam players, the GM's know about it and do nothing.


This is correct. The rest of your rant - however - is not.

Working as intended.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2011-10-29 10:59:32 UTC
Reese Tek'al wrote:
No, I believed I was getting a good deal. Nothing like that.


That's what I said.

As the man told you: if it looks too good to be true, it is.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-29 11:20:47 UTC
5/10 on the troll attempt.

You were stupid enough to fall for a scam, welcome to EVE.

Advice: next time CTFSI (Click the f***ing show info) on every thing you buy through trade or contract.

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Matthew97
#20 - 2011-10-29 11:33:46 UTC
Anything is legal in EVE, even Scamming is a valid tactic, although it won't make you many friends on your own xD

As said, if its to good to be true, it usually is. Next time check the show info windows, take your time to double check everything, even check the character selling it to be sure and NEVER station trade unless you triple check everything!!
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