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Does playing EVE make you happy? Do you enjoy it?

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-08-26 12:10:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
basically you can not let go of it, because it sucks out more energy then it gives back

gamplay is timeconsuming and frustrating, PvP mechanics are just bad, hours of waiting, then eeh eeh blob, thats why most of the players just do PvE

because the game is so frustrating, most people tend to be assholes in the game and on the forums

the game mechanics, does not favour fun, it favours frustration and how to avoide it is the key

* enemie comes, just dock
* enemie comes, just trashtalk
* enemie comes. blob 30 vs. 1
* goto null, eeh eeh blob, never go there again and run missions

the game too much favours anoying playstyles, and even worse, people think its cool, like scamming, ganking all of that, the winner seems to be the one who frustrates the others, however you loose the good and just keep the bad...

its a downward spiral


hahaha, ooooh What?

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#102 - 2013-08-26 12:54:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


It's been 7 years without new competitors for EVE


You know TOR has really nifty avatars and no non consensual PvP. And it's free now.

Just saying.


TOR is the mother of all theme parks, voice acting included. Roll

I'd rather buy the abbility to generate PvE content for other players as a part of a PvP mechanic a bit more complex than piiling up ships.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#103 - 2013-08-26 13:02:06 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Finnigan McGillicutty wrote:
I have a love-hate relationship with this game. I first started playing it in, uh, late 2004 I think? But I've never stuck around for more than a few months at a time before I get bored and unsub. Every time, the problem is the same: can't find good people to fly with, who play in/around my time zone, and who don't require 746182764182 hours a week commitment "for the good of the corp".

But then a few months later, it's "Oh man, I miss EVE. I should re-sub." (And for some reason I always biomass and start over, because I apparently lack any sense of reason or logic; hence the newbie character.) Maybe this time will be different?

I like the appeal of sandbox games, but I always have some trouble justifying the pursuit of any particular goal. It's like, I *could* try to make a billion isk, or fly a capital ship, or form a powerful FW corp, or (insert anything here), but... why?

Actually, I tend to think this way about most things IRL, too. Everything about life seems pretty pointless, when you get right down to it. The only thing I've found for which the inherent pointlessness doesn't bother me, is making video games. Creating stuff does seem as pointless as anything else, but it's at least *satisfying* in a way nothing else is.

(Gee, I sound depressed, don't I? Fortunately I don't actually feel *badly* about any of the above. It's just... well, it just is.)


I had dialed the 1st 6 numbers of the suicide hotline, then i read the last line so I didn't dial the 7th Twisted

But more seriously, that's a good post in that you understand that it's not an issue of the game but rather of what kind of gamer you are. 99% of everyone else will think that there is a problem with the game rather than looking at themselves and say "I'm like this with everything". Lots of EVe players hate the sandbox aspects and would probably be happier in a themepark styled game but stickwith EVE beause of the space ships and the time they've invested.....

....which still doesn't explain why they aren't making more rational mmo game choices like playing Star Trek Online, a space mmo that doesn't even all the kinds of things that people dislike about EVE.


...or maybe what that people dislikes are the tools provided by the only space freelancing/sandbox MMO, and yet love space freelancing games.

Played Elite, played Privateer, played Freelancer, played X series... they all had freelancing elements. A theme park doesn't cuts it for me. And then it turns that the only space themed sandbox/freelancing MMO is EVE.

So playing EVE is better than stop playing space freelancing games, at least until more space freelancing games hit the market. And here we are, X-Rebirth by November 15th (19th in the USA) and Star Citizen hitting alpha roughly by Q1 2014.

It's been 7 years without new competitors for EVE, now we should see what happens. Obivously theme parks are not competitors to EVE. But X-Rebirth and Star Citizen are members of the brethen.


That's a whole lot of rationalizing. And like most who rationalize in this way, i sure hope you aren't disappointed when "the next new thing" (lol, a single player game and a heavily instanced space fighter game do not = EVE lol) doesn't live up to your expectations. I would hope they would, because frankly EVE Online's community would be much better off with fewer "I play EVE in spite of not liking it" types.

It's not the 1st time in my Gaming life that I've encountered this attitude. As a kid I was a huge fan of Battletech, so of course I played every Mechwarrior video game that ever came out. After a while I began to notice the people on the various forums asking the game makers to "make it more realistic" or commenting on how various aspect of Battletech sucked and should be taken out of Mechwwarrior.

I was all like "WTF? why would you play MECHwarrior if you don't like Battletech"?. Got the same answer: I like big walking tanks and there are no other big walking tank games (which was a lie because of Heavy Gear, Earth/Starsiege for a while and games like Armored Core, Chromehounds and Steel Battalion).

Same with X-wing and the "this game needs Newtonian physics" cabal on the old X-wing games. "WTF, it's Star Wars" we'd yell, to no avail lol.

In every multiplayer game I've played there have been these dissatisfied people who always found excuses for why they were there. It just doesn't make sense to me, but oh well.
Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#104 - 2013-08-26 13:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Okazon
No, I get it; I mean, I can understand the frustration if you genuinely love EVE's gameplay seeing people do the love-hate dance, but I think this is different from mechwarrior. It's not just the genre, but the size and vitality of the game.

Playing EVE makes me happy because even when I'm doing something that doesn't really light my fire, I derive pleasure from knowing there's all these other people out there doing their thing.

The sense of unexpected danger also spices up the relatively boring gameplay.

Also: EVE has the best RP scene of any MMO I've ever seen. I grew up as a MUSHer/MOOer/MUXer. That was my jam. I resisted moving to the modern MMO scene for a long time and really only did so when MUSHes just couldn't maintain a playerbase anymore. RP in most MMOs isn't just kinda terrible because lol sexy nightelves -- there's a basic disconnect between typing "/me rests her head on the bar and bemoans how hard life as a rich immortal is." and seeing that your toon is not doing that.

So the IRC-like comms channels might help, the fact that you can't see your d00d. The setting, and the variety of ways in which people can come into conflict, helps too.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#105 - 2013-08-26 13:11:46 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
What's probably changed over the years is your tolerance of (and thus noticing of) "nastiness", not the basic level of it.
Pretty sure this isn't the case.


What evidence would you accept?

Here's the very first EVE forum thread I posted in, back in 2006. Look familiar? The "Lofty Trick" was to persuade a mission runner to fleet with your while you had a war-dec active agaijnst that alt's cori, then (the rules pertaining at the time, the war-dec transferred to anyone in the same fleet) have said alt invite you to the fleet, warp in and kill the mission runner for the delicious loot. Lofty29 did this dozens of times and made an unbelievable amount of ISK doing it, basically preying on high-level mission runners who thought they were helping a noob.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#106 - 2013-08-26 13:16:23 UTC
Andrea Okazon wrote:
No, I get it; I mean, I can understand the frustration if you genuinely love EVE's gameplay seeing people do the love-hate dance, but I think this is different from mechwarrior. It's not just the genre, but the size and vitality of the game.


No one suggests that EVE is the same thing as Battletech/Mechwarrior. I'm saying that I've noticed the same kind of reaction across multiple games.

Hell, i've seen it in real life. in every job I've ever had there's been "that guy" who would really rather be somewhere else but never leaves the job he hates for some kooky reason or another. Meanwhile I'm working at the same job , happy as all hell that I get a paycheck to do a job that most of the time isn't all that hard. If I hated the job the way some current and former co-workers claim they do, I'd scoot (even if it involved a pay cut, i'd re-learn how to live on less).

Funny thing is I'm sometimes invovled in the hiring process for my job and lo and behold, some of the people who left looking for greener grass apply to come back again lol.
Just like in EVE when some new game comes out and people leave (announcing it loudly on the forums) only to slink back in quietly later because the new game sucks and isn't EVE......
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#107 - 2013-08-26 13:25:25 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Hell, i've seen it in real life. in every job I've ever had there's been "that guy" who would really rather be somewhere else but never leaves the job he hates for some kooky reason or another.

All true. Bearing aside that EVE isn't a job (no matter how hard some people try to make it one).
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#108 - 2013-08-26 13:27:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Andrea Griffin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
What's probably changed over the years is your tolerance of (and thus noticing of) "nastiness", not the basic level of it.
Pretty sure this isn't the case.


What evidence would you accept?

Here's the very first EVE forum thread I posted in, back in 2006. Look familiar? The "Lofty Trick" was to persuade a mission runner to fleet with your while you had a war-dec active agaijnst that alt's cori, then (the rules pertaining at the time, the war-dec transferred to anyone in the same fleet) have said alt invite you to the fleet, warp in and kill the mission runner for the delicious loot. Lofty29 did this dozens of times and made an unbelievable amount of ISK doing it, basically preying on high-level mission runners who thought they were helping a noob.


+1

Thus the wise saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

The "things are getting worse" false perception is a function of aging + relying on imperfect memory as if it were perfect. Years (hell, decades lol) ago , one of my college professors demonstrated this fact to us.

He asked us if we think things were better or worse now that it was 10 years earlier (when most of us were 9 or 10 years old). Most said worse. He asked why. We said cited newspaper articles and such depicting horrible stuff.

So out he comes with several 10 year old newspapers...depicting horrible things lol. He asked us how much of this we were aware of. The answer was "not much" because as 9 and 10 year olds we weren't paying attention to boring stuff like the news.

What we were doing was remembering how it was for US back then, not how it was for everyone else. Every generation of human beings have felt the exact same way. When was the last time someone said "wow, things are so much better now than in the past"? Cool
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#109 - 2013-08-26 13:36:38 UTC
If you're happy and you know it press F1.
If you're happy and you know it press F1.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it if you're happy and you know it press F1.

If you're happy and you know it press F2.
If you're happy and you know it press F2.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it if you're happy and you know it press F2.

If you're happy and you know it press F3.
If you're happy and you know it press F3.
If you're happy and you know it and you really want to show it if you're happy and you know it press F3.

If you've just shot-up a spaceship toggle cloak.
If you've just shot-up a spaceship toggle cloak.
If you've just shot-up a spaceship and you're really having "gewd" times if you're happy and you know it clap your hands.

etc. etc.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#110 - 2013-08-26 13:44:09 UTC
You warp your frigate in and you warp your frigate out out,
You warp your frigate in and you warp your frigate out out,
You fire up d-scan and you look all about, that's what EVE's all about!

You warp your bombers in and you warp your bombers out,
You warp your bombers in and you warp your bombers out,
You cloak up on a gate and fling bombs all about, that's what EVE's all about!

Your fleet warps in and your fleet warps out,
Your fleet warps in and your fleet warps out,
Someone messes up Primary and your FC begins to shout, that's what EVE's all about!


Heh heh heh... Twisted
Titus Black
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2013-08-26 15:22:37 UTC
I keep resubbing because it is effectively a good chat room with generally like minded people, its in space and I am terrible at managing my money.
KingKongBon
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-08-26 16:42:13 UTC
it does not make me happy....

I got cancer and Im going to die... Dont really know when, I assume when sores stop healing and I bleed internally. And since my life is going to be short anyways, I dont see a point of starting something serious and time consuming in real life.

So I play EVE.... Compensation for not being able to get outta bed on the bad days and for not being able to do stuff which normal ppl do in real life on the good days.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#113 - 2013-08-26 16:47:44 UTC
KingKongBon wrote:
it does not make me happy....

I got cancer and Im going to die... Dont really know when, I assume when sores stop healing and I bleed internally. And since my life is going to be short anyways, I dont see a point of starting something serious and time consuming in real life.

So I play EVE.... Compensation for not being able to get outta bed on the bad days and for not being able to do stuff which normal ppl do in real life on the good days.


Sorry for the condition ,you are in right now ,but pls throw away the laptop and make the best of your final moments with your loved ones ,instead of this idiotic forum

R.S.I2014
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-08-26 17:47:35 UTC
The game itself, not so much.

My Corpies *in* this game: Priceless.

ADHC is why I keep coming back.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-08-26 18:02:22 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
KingKongBon wrote:
it does not make me happy....

I got cancer and Im going to die... Dont really know when, I assume when sores stop healing and I bleed internally. And since my life is going to be short anyways, I dont see a point of starting something serious and time consuming in real life.

So I play EVE.... Compensation for not being able to get outta bed on the bad days and for not being able to do stuff which normal ppl do in real life on the good days.


Sorry for the condition ,you are in right now ,but pls throw away the laptop and make the best of your final moments with your loved ones ,instead of this idiotic forum

i thought about my reply and i have to reconsider
so i change a little ,bc you are 24/7 ate home probably

make the best times with your loved ones and play the game you like afterwards
and may the game help you in dark times

R.S.I2014
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-08-26 22:52:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
Malcanis wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


It's been 7 years without new competitors for EVE


You know TOR has really nifty avatars and no non consensual PvP. And it's free now.

Just saying.


I would guess she meant there have been no sandbox MMO competitors..

Also free SWTOR does not count. The limitations of F2P are ridiculous. Its an EA game..

well, the Star Citizen is coming.. In a couple years

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-08-27 07:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Jenn aSide wrote:
What we were doing was remembering how it was for US back then, not how it was for everyone else. Every generation of human beings have felt the exact same way. When was the last time someone said "wow, things are so much better now than in the past"? Cool

Someone I know grew up on a little backwater farm now warm water or electricity for the first 10 years of her life (she moved to the city afterwards).

One day we had a vacation in iceland and visited some museum about how farmers on iceland lived 200 years ago.

And suddenly she gets all big eyed saying "oh my god, I know all this stuff from my childhood." Quite funny if you think that she grew up in germany, late 1950's, early 60's. Shocked

Anyways, yes, she's actually one of the few persons I know that really says that today things are better. But only because she can remember how bad things used to be without warm water and electricity.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#118 - 2013-08-27 12:58:39 UTC
KingKongBon wrote:
it does not make me happy....

I got cancer and Im going to die... Dont really know when, I assume when sores stop healing and I bleed internally. And since my life is going to be short anyways, I dont see a point of starting something serious and time consuming in real life.

So I play EVE.... Compensation for not being able to get outta bed on the bad days and for not being able to do stuff which normal ppl do in real life on the good days.


strange I thought about playing this game as well in case I got cancer, would go mining and think about those rocks to be the cancer that I have to mine away... using it as a mantra

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#119 - 2013-08-27 13:02:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
KingKongBon wrote:
it does not make me happy....

I got cancer and Im going to die... Dont really know when, I assume when sores stop healing and I bleed internally. And since my life is going to be short anyways, I dont see a point of starting something serious and time consuming in real life.

So I play EVE.... Compensation for not being able to get outta bed on the bad days and for not being able to do stuff which normal ppl do in real life on the good days.


strange I thought about playing this game as well in case I got cancer, would go mining and think about those rocks to be the cancer that I have to mine away... using it as a mantra

The response I'd like to give to this post would DEFINITELY get me banned.

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Jaytone bone
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2013-08-27 13:27:32 UTC
hum 9 years + of playing eve I guess I must like it a little huh :)