EVE General Discussion

No, no no. You were doing well until you got to the end there.
'Fly safe' ?
'Fly well' is more appropriate in EVE. Fly safe would kill this game

Good to see new players diving into this game and playing it without being risk-averse.
I hope to bump into you out there and we can shoot each other in the face

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Wait what?

The guy enjoys pvp and wants to move to nullsec. How is he demeaning anyone who chooses to remain in high sec?

I think you've been drinking Dinsdale's koolaid a little too often. A little cynicism can be a good thing. Too much leads to wearing tinfoil hats.

A n00b, and you went up against an AF, and got away with the smoking remains of your ship?
Well done!


Now go out and do it again, wiser and craftier than you were before.

It did 12 kills, and was lost to a concord officer when jumping from low sec to high sec (sic) (in small fleets, <8 people).

I also had a lot of fun with a navy slicer but I find the cruiser can give you more time to understand what is going on. Of course you ll learn a lot with a frigate but the combat is so fast you can barely test concepts like tanking, overheating, e-war.

You clearly underestimate the power of structure bashing. It is really cool to **** up someone else's sandcastle. One night pvp is fun but has no long term impact. At the end of the day, the guy you killed lost a ship.

With structure, the guy you killed loses his system, his revenues, his station ownership, all the stuff in it. Often it also breaks his alliance where some people were not even involved in the structure fight. Bref, it reaches far beyond just destroying assets.

I have never in the years I've been playing logged into a 3am CTA, or alarm-clocked an op.

I'm not telling you how you have to play the game, but you just don't know much about face to face pvp and yet you claim people should break the cardinal rule of eve "don't fly what you cant lose". Thats my point, and you can't back it up.

OP is clearly in the situation where he wants to learn more about small / solo pvp. And that is a completely different fit. I stand by my advice... if you want to learn pvp go join Faction Warfare and get killed over and over and return the favour. Alone.

You are reading WAY to much into this.

*please see post # 35 of this thread for full text of quotes

It is often easier to believe people when they are telling us what we want to hear, but don't discount what Dinsdale Pirannha is getting at. Cynicism is your friend in this game. It may seem like the people patting you on the back and telling you "Yeah, go shoot people in the face!" are on YOUR side, but this is Everybody Versus Everybody. Consider that if you had entered this game and decided that you loved doing missions or mining, the very same people, here cheering you on, would be telling you that you are doing it wrong and are a bad person for it.

The problem that some of us might have with what you are saying is that you are essentially demeaning anyone who chooses to remain in high sec. You are probably doing that and saying what you are saying because that's what somebody you listened to did, someone who probably portrayed themself as a "veteran" of the game. But, it's a good policy not to believe everything you read, and only half of what you hear. PVP in this game doesn't start or stop with the criminal or suspect or weapons timer. It is not always done ship-to-ship. You do not always know who your enemy is. You cannot always tell who has won or lost the "fight". Even at this very moment, your ideas, your perceptions, your self-worth may all be under attack by people who are trying to make you to play the game as they see fit, rather than as you see fit, because maybe to them, you are not so much a player as you are just more sand in their sand box.

By the way, some of the most exciting engagements I've ever been in were right outside of Jita 4-4. High sec, low sec, null sec, wormhole sec . . . I just call it all EVE Online.[/quote]


Sorry you feel as though I am demeaning you for living in high sec, i was just talking for myself personally when I said "i am starting to grow weary of high sec" and no nobody put me up to say high sec sucked, truth be told im still learning EVE politics, hell, I just heard what happened to BOB a few days ago, so the thought that someone had put me up to saying high sec sucked is invalid. and people did try to tell me how to play, and if you look under my employment history i am no longer with those people, I wanted to pvp they wanted me to fly with just them even if i have several friends who play..that didnt work for me. you are right about everything, i take everything said to me, or offered to me, or shown to me with a grain of salt, I trust no one but will talk to everybody. and while some of the most exciting fights you have had would be in jita, be it fighting a crimminal or just dueling, the most exciting fights i have been in have taken place in low sec, and the one gate camp who podded me trying to go see Steve, but even then, it was fun, there is nothing like being in a fleet or by yourself and fighting, or jumping someone in a plex or anything. I came to eve to pvp, there is something about watching 4000 people go at it when youre used to 8v8 capture the flag mode on other mmos. the danger in this game is real, you dont have a 15 second respawn timer, you either get blown up, walk away with a smoldering wreck that almost resembles your ship, or your victorious or floating lifeless frozen and in somebodys hangar bay, that is what makes this sandbox awhole of fun, doing missions or mining or just hanigng out may be fun for you, and that is your perogative, who am i to bash how you play the game, for me personally i would much rather feel the rush of watching 20 million isk (my basic fit costs atm) go up in flames or watch somebody elses wallet scream in agony, but like i said that is just my opinion :)

yea I havent pvped to much on this guy yet, but my alt I have pvped quite alot, been in some fleets and got on some really nice Killmail but the point is, its a rush and its fun, and possibly one of best things about EVE is the pvp, atleast for me personally. I dont like mining i despise mission running, but when the wallet starts screaming feed me i gotta listen or no pvp :( and i cant imagine playing this game without pvp :)

Good to hear you enjoyed PVP, OP. It's been six years and I'm still not used to the rush For being less than a month into the game, it doesn't sound like you fared half bad in your first encounter. Surviving against an Assault Frigate in a Punisher is something to be proud of! Keep at it, and when in doubt, don't be afraid to seek advice from us old hats.