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Getting feet wet in wormholes - need some pointers.

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Jelizza Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#1 - 2013-08-23 08:36:11 UTC
I like the exploration and have done it loads in highsec.

The rewards are decent, though not as good or stable as mining and industry, but it's a nice break from the daily "work" and the treasure hunting style where you never really know what's in a box is quite appealing.

So I figured I'd move a step further into wormholes since I find alot of those when scanning in k-space.

I kitted out a Heron with a cloak, salvager, probe launcher, analyzers and all the gimmicks to do probing and I jumped into a wormhole. After using the D-scan on the first one I jumped into I found two POS's, multiple ships and a Hawk that immediately warped to the wormhole I entered from. So I left it...

Then I found an empty wormhole. Noone around (seemingly) so I started probing out sites. I found a data site and warped to 100km and cloaked up. But unlike the highsec sites, these data sites had rats in them. Now, Heron has 3 drones but I'm not interested in suiciding my heron on 2 cruiser/BC's rats.

Seemed to me most of these sites have rats in them. So to do anything at all in the wormholes, at least solo with limited skills, it means I need to field a combat ship of some type, or dual box (which isn't really interesting for my part since that means alot of alt-tabbing).

Most of the threads I've searched for all come up with T3 fits (Tengu most often) or different guides on how to set up POS and run a whole fleet or even corp within a wormhole. Also, for the most part it seems it's always a discussion around C3 wormholes.

TL;dr - does anyone have any pointers on what ship to bring, or train for, in order to do exploration in the more simple (C1 and C2) wormholes ? I'm mostly trained with Caldari ships, missiles and shields. I have no idea how tough the rats are in C1 and C2 though since I've never done either. I just don't want to end up being annihilated on the first encounters.

However, if it means a massive faction fitted ship then I think I'll just pass on it altogether.

Anyways, thanks for reading, sorry for the extended intro, and any help would be appreciated.
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#2 - 2013-08-23 08:50:14 UTC
A Drake should be fine for C1/C2.

an alternative would be to go into the higher end WHs (especially C5) and stick your nose out into all the NS entrances aviable there. In those you can run the Mag and Radar Sites with your Heron (which you might want to upgrade to a Buzzard). Anyway, if you do that you will run into cargo problem really fast.
Jelizza Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#3 - 2013-08-23 09:09:33 UTC
I'm not really interested in the ore/gas or the combat sites.

I just want the data / relic sites anyways, and I don't think the loot from those takes too much cargospace, at least the highsec loot, primarily datacores, salvage parts etc doesn't take too much.

Speaking of the ore / gas sites though, do those also have rats in them?

I didn't bother checking those on my trip out there since I just wanted the data/relics, but after finding rats in all of those I was a bit miffed and just left.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#4 - 2013-08-23 09:37:14 UTC
since you do mostly so called "daytripping" drake is good for C1/C2. C3 anoms needs something with tank over 700DPS. You can look at evesurvival site. There youll find estimated rat DPS and payout values for anoms and sigs in Wspace.

Daytripping is good start to get your legs wet if you want to go deeper to Wspace. Youll soon find out that having a pos in your own wormhole just feels great.
Jelizza Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#5 - 2013-08-23 09:54:56 UTC
Yeah I suppose 'daytripping' is an accurate term for what I'm doing. At least for now.

So basically a standard Drake fit with normal (i.e. meta / T2 modules) should be enough for C1/C2?

I've heard many suggest a POS in a WH, but that seems like a bit of a chore if you are alone. It's expensive to run and it requires logistics. So I guess that would be more suitable for a small corp if anything.

I'll try that site you suggested and see what's there too, thanks for that.
Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
#6 - 2013-08-23 10:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sam Redshift
For day tripping you should look at doing the combat anomalies rather than the relic/data sites. Relic sites in wh space are run for the sleeper artefacts for T3 production and data site loot is similar to HS. If you check Eve Survival, you will see that relic and data sites usually have nastier rats than anomalies.

in C1-C2 holes combat anomalies are easily run in a T2 Drake or for more fun in speedy cruisers or assault frigates, particularily in C1 space. Here, you can gather nano ribbons which are the preferred sleeper loot. They always fetch a good price and are the bread-and -butter of wh PVE.

I have no fits for T2 Drakes on this computer but convo me in-game for fits or I can post some fits later tonight if required.

As already mentioned, even for day-tripping you should switch your Heron to a Buzzard to make your travels easier and safer.
Rengerel en Distel
#7 - 2013-08-23 12:46:07 UTC
Unless you're going to use the stuff from the data/relic sites from a WH, you're better off dipping your toes into low sec instead. At least there you've got the advantage of local, and the loot from the sites actually makes you isk.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Yabbiy
Ryba.
White Squall.
#8 - 2013-08-25 22:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Yabbiy
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Unless you're going to use the stuff from the data/relic sites from a WH, you're better off dipping your toes into low sec instead. At least there you've got the advantage of local, and the loot from the sites actually makes you isk.



I don't agree with this at all, please find the nearest k-space and get out of the wormhole section of the forums. Low sec is teaming with pirates and gate camps, and wormhole space is quiet, especially if you know what you are doing.

Do C1 sites, they are much much easier the c2 sites and they payout about the same amount of isk. You can also do them in unconventional battle cruisers, when I first started in wormhole space, I did them solo in a harbinger. Contact me in game if you need any help fitting in case you cant fly a drake, if you can fly a drake, more power to you, enjoy the riches wormhole space has to offer.
Dringy Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-08-26 00:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dringy Tsero
I wouldn't even bother with wormhole data / relic. The loot is pitiful.

(Up to a c3 anyway... )
Orlacc
#10 - 2013-08-26 01:19:10 UTC
Dringy Tsero wrote:
I wouldn't even bother with wormhole data / relic. The loot is pitiful.

(Up to a c3 anyway... )



This is true. Combat sites are far more lucrative in C1 and C2.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2013-08-26 01:27:53 UTC
The real money in wormholes comes from blue loot (which is dropped by NPC sleepers and can be sold to NPCs in empire, kinda like a bounty) and sleeper salvage from the NPC sleeper wrecks. Mags and Radars in WHs have rats that are quite difficult to solo and the loot you get from the cans isn't very good at all.

As many people above said, for daytripping a Drake works very well, however if you really want to get your moneys worth you need a salvager of some kind (salvage drones can't salvage sleeper BS wrecks even with level V skill so that's not really an option). So you either need another character to salvage, or you need to find an empty wormhole, run the sites, and then come back in a different ship to loot/salvage. Some Battlecruisers like the Cyclone have 2 utility highs so you can squeeze on a probe launcher + a salvager without losing any missiles so that's another option. Or you could scan down the WHs with your Heron and use a Drake with a salvager to run the sites but I personally hate going into WHs solo without a probe launcher.

Finally, a cool option to go daytripping in is assault frigs, the Hawk, Harpy, Vengeance, Wolf and Ishkur can handle all C2 sites with little trouble and pack a utility high (the Ishkur can also pack a flight of salvage drones allowing you to salvage most things except BS wrecks).
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#12 - 2013-08-27 09:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Yabbiy wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Unless you're going to use the stuff from the data/relic sites from a WH, you're better off dipping your toes into low sec instead. At least there you've got the advantage of local, and the loot from the sites actually makes you isk.




Do C1 sites, they are much much easier the c2 sites and they payout about the same amount of isk.


What? C2s aren't nearly comparable money to a c1. Farming those (with a laserlegion) you can be happy to get beyond 150mil an hour in a c2, you are sad about 'only' 200mil an hour in a c1. This is including a salvaging noctis on a second account though.

Though if you are daytripping (in a drake), you could very well just go ahead and set up a small tower (doesn't need any modules or stront, nor lots of fuel) as a safe spot, and in case of suddenly guests/wife aggro.

Important addition: There are very useful websites to help you in wh-space, most notably for your prupose: www.wormhol.es - especially considering it determines the main activity time for those locals by checking killboards. If that page tells you that this is a US-TZ wormhole, odds are it is that way. (easy farming from 7:00 to 17:00 eve time :p)
Jelizza Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#13 - 2013-08-27 18:23:41 UTC
Thanks for all the advice guys.

I think I'll look into setting up the drake for this then, since it has an extra hislot and everything for the probe launcher.

Wormholes sound like a lot of fun, but since I've never really messed about in them with a solo probe/site running ship I have no idea how tough the rats are and such. I just know (heard) they are much tougher than normal rats.

Anyways, appreciate the feedback!

TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#14 - 2013-08-27 18:36:08 UTC
If you have good drone skills, a 200+DPS passive shield-tanked Arbitrator and an afterburner solos fine up through C2 anomalies, too. C2s don't tend to aggro your drones nearly as much as C3 and up do, particularly if you keep your drone boat shooting damaging stuff and practice solid drone control. If you don't have good drone control real-life skills, drone losses in wormholes will teach you what not to do fairly quickly. Keep them close, recall & re-deploy regularly to ditch aggro, use appropriately-sized drones for your targets, faster or tankier drones may be a better choice than thermal drones, etc.

Arbitrators are great cheap boats for C1 and C2 anomalies. You can even equip a core probe launcher and salvager in the highs without sacrificing much DPS for an all-in-one -- albeit somewhat slow-going -- exploration/anom-oriented ship. A Pilgrim, of course, is vastly superior if you have the ISK & skills.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#15 - 2013-08-27 21:02:08 UTC
Don't bother with data/relic cans in C1s and C2s--the loot is nearly worthless. You'll get a lot more from looting/salvaging the sleepers you kill.
Dringy Tsero
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-28 11:24:09 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Don't bother with data/relic cans in C1s and C2s--the loot is nearly worthless. You'll get a lot more from looting/salvaging the sleepers you kill.



even c3 is normally less than 20 mil.