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Looking for Gila fit for Serpentis/Gurista space
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Quentin Marshall
#1 - 2013-08-22 00:29:34 UTC
I've been struggling to do DED complexes with the Gila. I'm wondering if anyone has a fit that can tank them properly? I searched forum but couldn't find much. I cannot fly an ishtar atm.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-08-22 00:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
High sec or low sec? Which complexes are giving you trouble? Do you have a fit you're working from right now?

Edit: for vanilla high sec work this should do:

[Gila, explorer high sec serpgur]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Quentin Marshall
#3 - 2013-08-22 02:17:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Quentin Marshall
Hi Zhilia- I'm referring to 5/10 and 6/10s in lowsec. I tried doing the Serpentis/Gurista 5/10 (Hydroponics and Hallucinagen Supply) but just couldn't tank them despite having good skills.

The only difference b/w your fit and mine is that I fitted resist rigs, had an Adaptive Invuln for one of the shield extenders. I probed with an alt and did the site with my main so no need for the probe launchers.

I would burn from the rats, drop wardens or gardes and then orbit around the sentries. I'm getting 600ish dps. But looking through your fit, I'm guessin maybe drop the resist rigs and go with the purgers so I can regen quicker?

Zhilia Mann wrote:
High sec or low sec? Which complexes are giving you trouble? Do you have a fit you're working from right now?

Edit: for vanilla high sec work this should do:

[Gila, explorer high sec serpgur]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x5
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4 - 2013-08-22 02:48:59 UTC
In an armor ishtar, I have to burn to 60km away from the bc's in the serp ded 5 second pocket. it can usually tank the battleships alone by orbiting a drone, but it cannot do that without range tanking the bc's. The last pocket I generally kill the 3 webbers and burn out of the tower range, as i found that shooting the overseer is a random length task that sometimes takes longer than my buffer holds out, where as killing the 3 web towers (1-2 salvos each) is a known task that is short enough that I can always get away with it. Once overseer is dead I warp out and wait for despawn.

ie I think the ishtar is probably pretty much as fragile as the gila, and a drone proteus, tengu or an MJD dominix are your non fragile options.
Banshee Screech
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-08-22 12:24:57 UTC
Purgers will make all the difference.

1 thermal, 1 kinetic hardener, two large shield extenders plus the 3 purgers is your base tank. Then add and remove shield power relays as needed to adjust the tank. 4 SPR's will make it very tough.
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-22 18:26:01 UTC
How long is the despawn on a DED? I did a 4/10 in hi sec last night and had time to go get my noctis that was 2 systems away. When I got back I expected to be able to warp to my bookmarks but it took me to the accel gates. I did kill every ship in both pockets.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2013-08-22 18:48:09 UTC
Penn Koskanaiken wrote:
How long is the despawn on a DED? I did a 4/10 in hi sec last night and had time to go get my noctis that was 2 systems away. When I got back I expected to be able to warp to my bookmarks but it took me to the accel gates. I did kill every ship in both pockets.


Wait. Which one? Because sometimes the overseer that triggers despawn (and has the nice loot) is a structure.
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-22 19:37:05 UTC
It was Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony The final boss was a ship and dropped some very nice loot.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2013-08-23 00:58:43 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
In an armor ishtar, I have to burn to 60km away from the bc's in the serp ded 5 second pocket. it can usually tank the battleships alone by orbiting a drone, but it cannot do that without range tanking the bc's. The last pocket I generally kill the 3 webbers and burn out of the tower range, as i found that shooting the overseer is a random length task that sometimes takes longer than my buffer holds out, where as killing the 3 web towers (1-2 salvos each) is a known task that is short enough that I can always get away with it. Once overseer is dead I warp out and wait for despawn.

ie I think the ishtar is probably pretty much as fragile as the gila, and a drone proteus, tengu or an MJD dominix are your non fragile options.


I always go straight for the overseer these days, but I'm usually in a Tengu; that makes a difference.

In any case, purgers will do a ton for your tank both on paper and in reality.

In case you were curious, I've also used an Ishtar for the Serp 6. Has to be passive shield tanked and I don't think a Gila will cut it. It's not a common site though.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2013-08-23 00:59:10 UTC
Penn Koskanaiken wrote:
It was Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony The final boss was a ship and dropped some very nice loot.


Huh. It should have despawned then. That's just a bug.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#11 - 2013-08-23 01:34:30 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Penn Koskanaiken wrote:
It was Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony The final boss was a ship and dropped some very nice loot.


Huh. It should have despawned then. That's just a bug.


Most likely someone else found it and only left after having confirmed empty overseer wreck in the second room. It won't despawn with someone inside.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#12 - 2013-08-23 05:26:56 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:


I always go straight for the overseer these days, but I'm usually in a Tengu; that makes a difference.

In any case, purgers will do a ton for your tank both on paper and in reality.

In case you were curious, I've also used an Ishtar for the Serp 6. Has to be passive shield tanked and I don't think a Gila will cut it. It's not a common site though.


Its only me wanting a cloak that causes the problem. A non cloaking ishtar will have enough cpu to use aux nanos, and will have enough rep to outlast the overseer and pocket dps. I haven't checked but the 1.1 patch may solve it anyway as there is some cpu in the goodies bag for the ishtar.

I think I won't bother chasing a sennans tip until the patch is through and passive sentry ishtars work better.
Taiko Igunen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-23 07:47:47 UTC
A couple of days ago, I did the Serpentis Logistical Outpost and even got the escalation.
http://de.sistersprobe.wikia.com/wiki/Serpentis_Logistical_Outpost_Part_2

Part 1 solo in my Tengu, Part 2 a friend in his Ishtar joined me - but I really wondered how this would go for a Gila. Both, Part 1 & 2 , have nasty neuting towers that suck you dry quite quickly. As I'd like to get a Gila please could one of you guys describe the tactics for a plex (I don't have big drone experience, so far).

You warp in, burn away, drop Wardens (100km range?), ... and then what? Do you take care of the towers, one-shot the frigs and then change to Medium Drones for the rest?

Please enlighten me. (:

Here's to you, here's to me, friends forever we will be ... and if we ever disagree, f*** you, and here's to me. Cheers!

CCP, give us open pvp: Distress Calls
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#14 - 2013-08-23 09:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Castillon
Taiko Igunen wrote:
A couple of days ago, I did the Serpentis Logistical Outpost and even got the escalation.
http://de.sistersprobe.wikia.com/wiki/Serpentis_Logistical_Outpost_Part_2

Part 1 solo in my Tengu, Part 2 a friend in his Ishtar joined me - but I really wondered how this would go for a Gila. Both, Part 1 & 2 , have nasty neuting towers that suck you dry quite quickly. As I'd like to get a Gila please could one of you guys describe the tactics for a plex (I don't have big drone experience, so far).

You warp in, burn away, drop Wardens (100km range?), ... and then what? Do you take care of the towers, one-shot the frigs and then change to Medium Drones for the rest?

Please enlighten me. (:


You can solo both in a (non-cloaky) Tengu. You can deal with the neuts in the escalation by simply AB'ing (and later slowboating) out of their range. From there you can reduce the DPS before you go back in again. Your tank in a Tengu should hold, even without cap.
Alternatively you can man-mode and dive straight for the towers. It works, but I've only done it once and it's pretty risky. If you have a friend this site shouldn't be a problem at all.

If you want to do it in a drone boat, keep in mind that dropping your drones and then proceeding run away and leave them there, is likely to get them killed.

Edit: Native resists make the Ishtar better than the Gila. No way around it.
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-08-24 13:12:27 UTC
Neut Towers are the devil!

Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-26 06:04:12 UTC
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Taiko Igunen wrote:
A couple of days ago, I did the Serpentis Logistical Outpost and even got the escalation.
http://de.sistersprobe.wikia.com/wiki/Serpentis_Logistical_Outpost_Part_2

Part 1 solo in my Tengu, Part 2 a friend in his Ishtar joined me - but I really wondered how this would go for a Gila. Both, Part 1 & 2 , have nasty neuting towers that suck you dry quite quickly. As I'd like to get a Gila please could one of you guys describe the tactics for a plex (I don't have big drone experience, so far).

You warp in, burn away, drop Wardens (100km range?), ... and then what? Do you take care of the towers, one-shot the frigs and then change to Medium Drones for the rest?

Please enlighten me. (:


You can solo both in a (non-cloaky) Tengu. You can deal with the neuts in the escalation by simply AB'ing (and later slowboating) out of their range. From there you can reduce the DPS before you go back in again. Your tank in a Tengu should hold, even without cap.
Alternatively you can man-mode and dive straight for the towers. It works, but I've only done it once and it's pretty risky. If you have a friend this site shouldn't be a problem at all.

If you want to do it in a drone boat, keep in mind that dropping your drones and then proceeding run away and leave them there, is likely to get them killed.

Edit: Native resists make the Ishtar better than the Gila. No way around it.


I would love to see your fit for soloing this one in a Tengu. Because I have seen a lot of dead Tengus from this plex. I use a fully passive fit Rattlesnake, btw.

See the main death point is the half dozen scramming and webbing elite frigs, the fact that you're sensor damped so that you probably can't even target the neut tower, and the fact that the neut tower has massive hitpoints and will drain a cruiser or strategic cruiser very quickly. So I assume you're talking about a fully passive Tengu, which I am really curious about a fit for.
Taiko Igunen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-08-26 07:35:54 UTC
I may have to clarify: I solo'ed only the Serpentis Logistical Outpost. For its escalation a friend joined me: Serpentis Logistical Outpost - Part 2

Part 1 was not hard in the Tengu. There were only two neuting towers in the second, and two more in the third room - quickly dispensed of. I can't link my fit from here, but the description is easy: HAMs and 3x max cap rigs (:

It was only coincidence that I tried out a little pve and just happened to find this site. The Tengu I used had those cap rigs because I was using it for pvp. Rage HAMs hit out to 23km, Javelins have 42km range. The dampening was no problem because I fighted at point blank range anyway and could make relatively short work of scrams and webs. Just make sure you target the frigs soon and then stay close to them.

Here's to you, here's to me, friends forever we will be ... and if we ever disagree, f*** you, and here's to me. Cheers!

CCP, give us open pvp: Distress Calls
Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-08-26 08:02:59 UTC
Taiko Igunen wrote:
I may have to clarify: I solo'ed only the Serpentis Logistical Outpost. For its escalation a friend joined me: Serpentis Logistical Outpost - Part 2

Part 1 was not hard in the Tengu. There were only two neuting towers in the second, and two more in the third room - quickly dispensed of. I can't link my fit from here, but the description is easy: HAMs and 3x max cap rigs (:

It was only coincidence that I tried out a little pve and just happened to find this site. The Tengu I used had those cap rigs because I was using it for pvp. Rage HAMs hit out to 23km, Javelins have 42km range. The dampening was no problem because I fighted at point blank range anyway and could make relatively short work of scrams and webs. Just make sure you target the frigs soon and then stay close to them.


Yeah, I was referring to the guy who claims to solo both parts in a Tengu. The first part is really not that hard. I am sure you can fit a passive tank on the Tengu to do the second part, but if that's not what he's referring to, then he's just sending active tanked Tengus to die. Oh wait, I just reread his post and he is actually suggesting to use an active tanked Tengu. Lol. Don't. This site is significantly harder than its "level". BTW, it always escalates.
Quentin Marshall
#19 - 2013-08-26 08:21:11 UTC
It does not always escalate. I've done it a few times and didn't always get an escalation.

Question: Can you solo the escalation with a passive fit along with interdiction nullifier and covops?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#20 - 2013-08-26 08:41:13 UTC
Czeris wrote:


Yeah, I was referring to the guy who claims to solo both parts in a Tengu. The first part is really not that hard. I am sure you can fit a passive tank on the Tengu to do the second part, but if that's not what he's referring to, then he's just sending active tanked Tengus to die. Oh wait, I just reread his post and he is actually suggesting to use an active tanked Tengu. Lol. Don't. This site is significantly harder than its "level". BTW, it always escalates.


A tengu will get beyond the serpentis effective range before it caps out, and then it will coast at the same speed as the frigates, if there were any left, and it can still shoot capped out. I see the poster even explained it. I would do it in an armor ishtar, but said ishtar can't really leave its drones that far behind and expect to keep them, and it has too thin a buffer.
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