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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#101 - 2013-08-23 16:18:20 UTC
I'm tanked when mining but also not exactly nerfing my yield.

I just laugh at the hundreds of Exhumer Tanking Paranoia Threads generated yearly.

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#102 - 2013-08-23 16:19:46 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Besides, most miners who are popped are AFK and I know this for a fact.

Yup yup yup. When a bumbler like me can gank successfully, you *know* they're asleep at the switch.

Quote:
Makes for more and better marketing opportunities for myself and not them. They are the lazy ones with no honor for their own profession at all.

On those rare occasions when I dust off my mining alt, I don't tank. Deliberately. The cost of replacement hulls is considered in the profit-loss calculation - cheaper fits mean less loss, more profit. Of course, I almost never get ganked whilst mining, either, because I'm not asleep at the switch.

Let me say that again:

"Not asleep at the switch."

THAT^^ is your number-one defense against being ganked - alert, aware of who is in local (and what their KB says about them!), moving at all times with turn points and multiple safes in all directions, and checking intelligence. THAT is how you mine without getting bored OR ganked - by being engaged, and continually checking the surroundings.

I'll grant that it's work, but who's afraid of a little work, eh?


I agree situational awareness is your best tank.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#103 - 2013-08-23 16:22:20 UTC
I can see the argument for not tanking. I prefer a modest tank that doesn’t kill yield. Just enough to get passed over for those who may not be tanked.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#104 - 2013-08-23 16:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'm tanked when mining but also not exactly nerfing my yield.

It's an individual thing how one mines; So long as you're awake and alert, the details are less important.
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I can see the argument for not tanking. I prefer a modest tank that doesn’t kill yield. Just enough to get passed over for those who may not be tanked.

It's really dependant n style, I suppose.
If you want to AFK, or tab out, then tanking is pretty much a requirement. Me, I stay at teh keyboard the whole time, so it's not really an issue - I'll hit the chicken switch in a heartbeat. Mind you, I also don't mine for a living, so it's not an issue to me if I miss ten or fifteen minutes of rock-melting because I bolted for the barn.

On the flipside, if I *do* get caught, I want to lose as little as possible. My miner flies a stripped-down bare-bones barge with almost nothing bolted on it, not even safety guards for the ore conveyors. Who cares if some dock-side alkie gets crushed in the gears? There're plenty more where that one came from!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#105 - 2013-08-23 16:35:24 UTC
Quote:
I am not here to teach you reading comprehension. Go back and read what was written and try to decipher for yourself. My main point was some people here want to act like all miners don’t tank and all are care bears. They are not all care bears and plenty do tank. The other point was it doesn’t matter what you tank or how you fit if they want to kill you they will.

Your problem like many forum trolls is you want to get hung up on arguing over stupid little things like spelling gramer and numbers. Thats how and why you always seem to miss the point.

This isnt grad school. Its a forum for a game.


Did you mean grade school or actually grad school? Granted, the petty and vindictive aspects come out in both, but in grad school it's mostly in the form of embittered teachers fishing for tenure (or "favors" from female students).

Ok, how about we apply this some.

"All miners don't tank". Fair enough, some of them do. But, "all miners who don't tank are carebears" is a perfectly fair assertion.

Alrighty, whether you fit a tank or not, if someone is determined to kill specifically you, they will do it. 2+ people > 1 person.

Is there a problem there? Are you suggesting this should not be the case? Or perhaps that it's a good excuse for not fitting a tank? What are you actually trying to say?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#106 - 2013-08-23 16:40:34 UTC
I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.

It was genuinely depressing. Like, not even attempts to try. Some even had warp scramblers fit, and I'm not kidding.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#107 - 2013-08-23 16:51:25 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.

It was genuinely depressing. Like, not even attempts to try. Some even had warp scramblers fit, and I'm not kidding.

Some of those non-existant tanks were because of ignorance or lazyness. Some were deliberate calculation. Won't try to guess the proportions.

But warp scrams..?! Shocked That's embarassing.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#108 - 2013-08-23 16:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Plastic Psycho wrote:


But warp scrams..?! Shocked That's embarassing.



I think I gave up once I saw the second one with two webifiers. Yes, TWO Webifiers.


edit: It's understandable why Goons etc. wanna come to High Sec to explode them and teach them a lesson. I want to do it myself.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#109 - 2013-08-23 17:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Baitships, I'm guessing. Or bad attempts at baitships.

If you're in HS, there's no need; Concord will do all the webbing and scramming needed. So trying to set up baitship barges in HS is just... bad.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2013-08-23 17:10:03 UTC
The webs may be intended to get their alt freighter to warp faster? For, uh, some reason. vOv
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#111 - 2013-08-23 17:48:55 UTC
In over 3 years of Ice Mining I have yet to ever see a Freighter in an Ice Belt.....and I'm not kidding.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-08-23 17:53:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
In over 3 years of Ice Mining I have yet to ever see a Freighter in an Ice Belt.....and I'm not kidding.


It just started because they can now loot cans.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2013-08-23 17:53:50 UTC
the botters large-scale multiboxers have been using them to store ice since the change that allowed freighters to pick up from cans in space

ah, but i haven't been to an ice belt since they were made depletable. they seemed pretty common the few times i looked at highsec ice belts, though
E-2C Hawkeye
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#114 - 2013-08-23 18:35:49 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
I am not here to teach you reading comprehension. Go back and read what was written and try to decipher for yourself. My main point was some people here want to act like all miners don’t tank and all are care bears. They are not all care bears and plenty do tank. The other point was it doesn’t matter what you tank or how you fit if they want to kill you they will.

Your problem like many forum trolls is you want to get hung up on arguing over stupid little things like spelling gramer and numbers. Thats how and why you always seem to miss the point.

This isnt grad school. Its a forum for a game.


Did you mean grade school or actually grad school? Granted, the petty and vindictive aspects come out in both, but in grad school it's mostly in the form of embittered teachers fishing for tenure (or "favors" from female students).

Ok, how about we apply this some.

"All miners don't tank". Fair enough, some of them do. But, "all miners who don't tank are carebears" is a perfectly fair assertion.

Alrighty, whether you fit a tank or not, if someone is determined to kill specifically you, they will do it. 2+ people > 1 person.

Is there a problem there? Are you suggesting this should not be the case? Or perhaps that it's a good excuse for not fitting a tank? What are you actually trying to say?

Nope my problem is poeple trying to use phrases like ALL miners are....or ALL miners dont...... or if you tank you wont die. These are false statements.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2013-08-23 18:43:38 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Nope my problem is poeple trying to use phrases like ALL miners are....or ALL miners dont...... or if you tank you wont die. These are false statements.

did anyone say that
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#116 - 2013-08-23 19:04:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.



I'm not saying that many miners don't give much thought to survival, but your data is skewed in that you don't see the ones that were tanked in killboards. Because they didn't get blown up. Of course you are only going to find the losers that are easy kills.

Until you know the percentage of those that survive ganks to those that die from them, you are making opinions on incomplete data. Thousands of ships a day with bad fits end up on the KBs. Why is it that miners are the ones being focused on?

Being dumb when it comes to fitting your ship is hardly exclusive to miners.

Mr Epeen Cool
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#117 - 2013-08-23 19:12:00 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I did spend about 15 minutes one day on Eve Kill looking at exhumer kills, looking at one non-existent tank after another, and that's enough time to get a fair sample, but I just had to stop.

It was genuinely depressing. Like, not even attempts to try. Some even had warp scramblers fit, and I'm not kidding.


Problem is, most gankers scan the ship before ganking it. A mining barge without any tank is easier to kill than a tanked one =)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#118 - 2013-08-23 19:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

I am always glad when someone tells me what my own words mean. The number was thrown out there wasn’t meant to be a specific number but as a arbitray number. It could have just as easily been 50 60 80 or 100.

You forum trolls always want to argue Symantec’s. Please carry on.

1. ar•bi•trar•y
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adjective
adjective: arbitrary
1. 1.
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
"his mealtimes were entirely arbitrary"

So the number 30 has gone from figurative (it wasn't), to gross excess (it was) and now it's arbitrary (made up on the spot)? Do you even read your own posts? Are you in fact Ace Uoweme's main? or are you genuinely an accidental troll?

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Nope my problem is poeple trying to use phrases like ALL miners are....or ALL miners dont...... or if you tank you wont die. These are false statements.
So it's ok for you to use blatantly false premises, misrepresent quotes, use absolutes and otherwise do exactly what you claim to have a problem with? That smacks of hypocrisy, or Government.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#119 - 2013-08-23 19:55:45 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

I'm not saying that many miners don't give much thought to survival, but your data is skewed in that you don't see the ones that were tanked in killboards. Because they didn't get blown up. Of course you are only going to find the losers that are easy kills.




Point taken, but the issue is the sheer number that are astoundingly not tanked, or badly tanked, or weirdly tanked. 10 or 12 on the same day in the same system in the same belt.........that's an extremely highpercentage.

And the sad thing is, it should be the rare find, if these people cared about the honorable profession of mining.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#120 - 2013-08-23 20:49:04 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
In over 3 years of Ice Mining I have yet to ever see a Freighter in an Ice Belt.....and I'm not kidding.
I have. Not terribly common, but not unheard-of.