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Questions about lost ship/wreck?

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Celthon Drakken
#1 - 2013-08-20 08:14:02 UTC
First ship lost few moments ago...have a cpl questions:

I was mining with a Venture plus 2 Hobgoblins out and left computer unattended for about 8-10 minutes and was in pod when I returned and one Hobgoblin gone, with wreck of Venture nearby, and 2 NPC's in area so I'm assuming the NPC's got me.

Is there a log I can call up to review who shot who, etc.?

How do I retrieve things from my wreck?

I opened cargo hold after getting another ship, but there were only a few items there, not everything that was fitted on the ship.

Do I need a Salvager to retrieve the remaining items? Are some items lost as part of the game mechanics (ie: the ship was destroyed so some of the items were as well and so won't be available to retrieve?)

How long will the wreck be available to me to try to salvage/retrieve from?

Thank you for information.

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-08-20 08:31:35 UTC
In the upper left corner of your interface, there should be your portrait, if you click on it, it opens your character sheet, there you will find a kill log in the bottom, where you can find your loss and who killed you. Whether a NPC or a player, when your ship blows up, only a few items drop in the wreck. What's lost is lost, you can salvage the wreck for some components, but you won't recover all of it. A wreck is like a container, what is in, can be looted but if it doesn't belong to you, you will be flaged suspect and any player can engage you for 15 min.

A wreck usually stay there for an hour or so and the content can be stolen by others. If a player blew you up, you will find a kill right in the character sheet, that will allow you to seek revenge or can be transfered to others to do so upon activation.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Celthon Drakken
#3 - 2013-08-20 09:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Celthon Drakken
Thank you Sin...had looked at the Combat Log on my Character Sheet, but overlooked the tab that switched from "Show Kills" to "Show Losses"...lost the ship to NPC: Serpentis Guard. I know, AFK mining is a dumb thing to do, but RL little dog needed to go out to pee and I thought I'd be safe for few minutes, -- lesson learned Sad.

Took ship with Civilian Salvager fitted and wasn't able to use it on my wreck...went and purchased Salvager I and used it...yielded only Metal Scraps.

Thank you for the reply/information.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-08-20 09:09:51 UTC
These belt rats can be annoying early in your EVE life, but they'll soon become similar to a mosquito splattered on a windshield, train your tanking and drone skills, they're not the real threat for an afk miner.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-20 09:52:17 UTC
Celthon Drakken wrote:
I opened cargo hold after getting another ship, but there were only a few items there, not everything that was fitted on the ship.


Not everything drops. Each items on the ship or in the cargo hold has a 50% chance to drop when the ship is destroyed. If it doesn't drop, it was destroyed in the explosion of the ship.
Celthon Drakken
#6 - 2013-08-20 10:13:26 UTC
Thank you both for the replies and information...I'm learning.
James Hakkar
Pro Synergy
#7 - 2013-08-20 12:15:05 UTC
You're learning indeed Blink

Just to add.. The Civilian Salvager is only useful in the tutorial missions. As you noticed it doesn't work on normal wrecks, you'll need the normal salvaging module for that.

When you click on the icon in the top-left drone menu, you can set drones to passive or agressive. If you put them on agressive they will automatically attack any target that is shooting at you. This can be handy while mining though it will not automatically protect you from an npc breaking your tank. It does help if the drones kill the npc before you explode :)

Want to earn a [u]lot[/u]** of money as a new player? Join channel: **Pro Synergy Salvage the leftovers from veteran missioners and get paid in large amounts. 

Anuminas Alland
Aspergus Carebearnaise
#8 - 2013-08-20 12:40:34 UTC
Combat Drone Operation is a support skill that you can train that will boost your drones' damage, as well. This is definitely something that will come in handy as the 'rats in asteroid belts get tougher and tougher the lower the security rating of the systems you're in; in 0.6 and 0.5 systems you'll even occasionally see them come in groups of 3 or 4.



Celthon Drakken
#9 - 2013-08-20 12:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Celthon Drakken
Anuminas Alland wrote:
Combat Drone Operation is a support skill that you can train that will boost your drones' damage, as well. This is definitely something that will come in handy as the 'rats in asteroid belts get tougher and tougher the lower the security rating of the systems you're in; in 0.6 and 0.5 systems you'll even occasionally see them come in groups of 3 or 4.





This was something on my "to-do" list...and when I left the computer unattended while mining I was in 0.5 system Oops

Note to self (and other New Pilots): Just because you mine in a belt for 20 - 25 minutes without seeing an NPC doesn't mean they won't show-up 2 minutes after you arrive next time -- when I stay at the computer seems like no one comes around, but try to sneak away for a few minutes -- Shocked
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#10 - 2013-08-20 17:44:13 UTC
While it might not be what you are looking for, this is a bottom end fit for starting a Venture that I recommend. There is a lot of resistance here with very little skill training. The salvager is for that extra bit of loot while mining from the dead rats. Obviously you could improve the ship with better gear as you go along, but this one has shield resists of 58.6% for EM, 60.1% Thermal, 40% Kenetic, 50% explosive just to start, and is pretty good at letting you be AFK (Civilian Shield Boosters are underrated by many)

Also, don't forget to orbit something (a different roid, wreck, or can) while mining to keep your speed up. A Venture is a fast ship, use that speed to keep the rats working for their meal.

[Venture, Starting point 2]
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Civilian Shield Booster I
EM Ward Amplifier I
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I

Miner I
Miner I
Salvager I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin I x2

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Celthon Drakken
#11 - 2013-08-20 18:29:11 UTC
@MadMuppet: Thank you for taking the time to suggest a fit for my Venture...I will definitely compare your suggestions to what I have currently.

Right now I have :

Mining Laser Upgrade I

Miner I
Miner I
Salvager I

Small Shield Booster I
1MN Afterburner I
Survey Scanner I

Hobgoblin I x2

I'm thinking the Afterburner and Scanner can be traded out...

Thank you again for suggestions.
Kyseth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-08-20 19:47:01 UTC
I would try very hard to get the AFK mindset out of you as soon as possible. NEVER leave your ship unattended. If you need to be away, then dock up or fly to your safe spot (actual term that you should look up and understand) and cloak up but docking would be better.

I'd forget the autopilot button while you're at it.

There are many people out there that will go for easy kills for those that AFK mine/ AFK autopilot through gates. It may not be as lucrative as suicide ganking a fully packed hauler but I'm thinking about those that just kill for the "lolz" of it. And yes, this will happen even in highsec. Granted, not nearly as often as lowsec but it will happen.

I'm not saying this to scare you away... this is to make sure you are safe out there.

As for the ship and skill, you'll see results in longevity and efficiency as you train up your core skills. If you're just going to be mining, you probably don't need the afterburner. The scanner can help you pick out the right rocks to shoot at, but until you get into something with a reasonably sized cargo hold, it probably won't matter. So, I agree you can probably swap out the AB and scanner for some more tank. I'd pick something that will resist the rats (NPC pirates) in your area. For example, if you're getting tagged by Blood Raiders, you'll want EM and Therm protection.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2013-08-20 20:50:31 UTC
Celthon Drakken wrote:
@MadMuppet: Thank you for taking the time to suggest a fit for my Venture...I will definitely compare your suggestions to what I have currently.

Right now I have :

Mining Laser Upgrade I

Miner I
Miner I
Salvager I

Small Shield Booster I
1MN Afterburner I
Survey Scanner I

Hobgoblin I x2

I'm thinking the Afterburner and Scanner can be traded out...

Thank you again for suggestions.


Don't use civilian mods unless you have no choice!

I'd suggest putting a buffer tank, rather than an active tank on your ship. Try something like this, and t2 fit it as you can. (Note: you may want to adjust the shield resistance rigs, which are cheap, to match the damage the rats do in the region you are operating in).

[Venture, New Setup 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Medium Shield Extender I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Survey Scanner I

Salvager I
Miner I
Miner I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Hobgoblin I x2
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2013-08-21 11:44:08 UTC
Kyseth wrote:
I would try very hard to get the AFK mindset out of you as soon as possible. NEVER leave your ship unattended. If you need to be away, then dock up or fly to your safe spot (actual term that you should look up and understand) and cloak up but docking would be better.

I'd forget the autopilot button while you're at it.

There are many people out there that will go for easy kills for those that AFK mine/ AFK autopilot through gates. It may not be as lucrative as suicide ganking a fully packed hauler but I'm thinking about those that just kill for the "lolz" of it. And yes, this will happen even in highsec. Granted, not nearly as often as lowsec but it will happen.

I'm not saying this to scare you away... this is to make sure you are safe out there.

As for the ship and skill, you'll see results in longevity and efficiency as you train up your core skills. If you're just going to be mining, you probably don't need the afterburner. The scanner can help you pick out the right rocks to shoot at, but until you get into something with a reasonably sized cargo hold, it probably won't matter. So, I agree you can probably swap out the AB and scanner for some more tank. I'd pick something that will resist the rats (NPC pirates) in your area. For example, if you're getting tagged by Blood Raiders, you'll want EM and Therm protection.



This.

NEVER mine AFK.

I view gaining resources while AFK as no different to botting or any other form of cheating, and so any time I see someone AFK mining, I will go out of my way to destroy their ship and pod (or if that isn't feasible, bump them out of mining range). And there's people that gank a lot more than I do - I only have around two billion ISK in kills of AFK miners, some people have 30b+.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Jormun Kamu
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-08-21 12:24:23 UTC
Firstly, my thanks as well for all the answers (and apologizes for cutting in Smile).
I had completely missed the mining laser upgrade, though I have to admit that I have not been too diligent doing the business missions.

Regarding the Venture fitting, probably due to lack of better knowledge I also have had the Stasis Webifier in the mid-slots (I had one lying around so...).
My question is if slowing down the rats provides benefit to the drones?
Based on some experimenting it at least appears to help the drones finish them more quickly but this is more of a gut feeling.
Of course this probably depends on the drone speed as well on the rat speed, but I have not found information on the latter.

Celthon Drakken
#16 - 2013-08-21 12:33:45 UTC
Thank you again for information/replies.

I agree about AFK Mining being close to botting, etc., and don't as a rule...but my little buddy needed to go out and I took the chance...gotta love the RNG gods eh?

The cpl. minutes it takes to dock up, hide, etc. is worth taking, rather than gambling with having to replace the ship and equipment. (Great that hindsight is always 20/20, lol) I'm very new and was lucky in that it was "only" a Venture and low-lvl equipment. My fantasy is to one day be able to move into the Exhumers class of mining -- what a shock it would be to lose something like that, so as the saying goes "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger..." and this mishap was a lesson learned (hopefully other Pilots read through this thread and gain from it also...)

@Sabriz: I know my bank account will grow as my characters grow/age in the game (I'm barely bit over 2-weeks old currently), but it's still a shock to new Pilot to hear numbers like that (2 Billion just from AFK Miner kills) nearly choked on my coffee -- I was happy when I hit the 20 Million mark. So much to look forward to, Pirate, and hearing something like that makes me realize how naive/new I truly am, ha-ha.

Thank you again to all who gave their advice, feedback and suggestions...I learn from your experience.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-08-21 12:34:50 UTC
It's not only gut feeling, but correct, the web slows down the target, then the drones tiny turrets can track it better and the damage they deal increses. Though this idea can be helpful very early, if you train up your shield tanking and drone skills, the NPC will be dead before they get in web-range, making it a moot point.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Jormun Kamu
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-08-21 12:43:57 UTC
@Sin Pew: Thanks for confirmation. I'll have to look on those skills as well.

Does using web (or EWAR etc.) trick the NPC AI so that they target me rather than drones?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-08-21 13:42:07 UTC
They announced they would use the sleeper drones AI for mission NPC, I don't know about belt-rats, but if it's the same, then yes, ewar draws aggro, to a certain point at least. But for a high-sec belt rat... *efforts* heck, with a semi-decent tank you can even just let it orbit you and never worry about it breaking the recharge of your shields.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2013-08-21 23:17:16 UTC
Celthon Drakken wrote:

@Sabriz: I know my bank account will grow as my characters grow/age in the game (I'm barely bit over 2-weeks old currently), but it's still a shock to new Pilot to hear numbers like that (2 Billion just from AFK Miner kills) nearly choked on my coffee -- I was happy when I hit the 20 Million mark. So much to look forward to, Pirate, and hearing something like that makes me realize how naive/new I truly am, ha-ha.


Two billion ISK is only eight or nine fitted Mackinaws or Hulks. Less if you get the pods too.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

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