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7m SP, don't know how to make money.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-08-19 11:18:05 UTC
Find out what you want to do, and then find out how you can make isk doing it...

If you are clever and creative you can pretty much make a living of anything in eve, but it might take planning, effort and not least time, which i why you should find something you like doing.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-08-19 11:25:08 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I also am struggling to make money (3m SP)

I can run level 3 missions very easily but level 4 missions are beyond me so thats not possible.

I'm trying to pvp but you can never make money off that so I keep grinding missions to pay for ships that I lose.

I tired doing PI but its only worth it in low or null and there are so many gate camps that make it unappealing.

mining only pays so much.

The market is confusing and apart from selling stuff than I get from wrecks I never try to make money off it. Only getting what I need from it.

I've done a lot of exploration in high sec. It takes forever to scan down a target and the rewards isn't very good. Did a bit of low sec exploration but there is the gatecamps and the complexicty of hacking increases.
Find friends.
Jump into destroyers, but have one guy in a 1600m³ shipscanning magnate.

Roam around traderoutes. (don't sit at gates waiting that's what the losers do)

Ship and Cargoscan autopiloting haulers.

Let the whole group jump onto them and the magnate loot it.

Have fun while figuring everything out and making mistakes.

Per gank, you'll only lose 0.1sec, which gives you around 10 ganks before you hit -1.

As you're noobs, you have way more targets to choose of,
because your investments will be rather low and a few dozen millions of isk are a lot already.

It's fun. You'll gain situational awareness. You learn how to use your guns (don't use missiles),
you'll learn how sentry turrets, suspect timer, killrights and global criminal countdowns work.

(all this under the assumption you're smart enough to use google and or talk to somebody about it)


Alternatively come to hek and ask me if we could earn you money.


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-08-19 11:27:06 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I also am struggling to make money (3m SP)

I can run level 3 missions very easily but level 4 missions are beyond me so thats not possible.

I'm trying to pvp but you can never make money off that so I keep grinding missions to pay for ships that I lose.

I tired doing PI but its only worth it in low or null and there are so many gate camps that make it unappealing.

mining only pays so much.

The market is confusing and apart from selling stuff than I get from wrecks I never try to make money off it. Only getting what I need from it.

I've done a lot of exploration in high sec. It takes forever to scan down a target and the rewards isn't very good. Did a bit of low sec exploration but there is the gatecamps and the complexicty of hacking increases.
Find friends.
Jump into destroyers, but have one guy in a 1600m³ shipscanning magnate.

Roam around traderoutes. (don't sit at gates waiting that's what the losers do)

Ship and Cargoscan autopiloting haulers.

Let the whole group jump onto them and the magnate loot it.

Have fun while figuring everything out and making mistakes.

Per gank, you'll only lose 0.1sec, which gives you around 10 ganks before you hit -1.

As you're noobs, you have way more targets to choose of,
because your investments will be rather low and a few dozen millions of isk are a lot already.

It's fun. You'll gain situational awareness. You learn how to use your guns (don't use missiles),
you'll learn how sentry turrets, suspect timer, killrights and global criminal countdowns work.

(all this under the assumption you're smart enough to use google and or talk to somebody about it)


Alternatively come to hek and ask me if we could earn you money.


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.
No, you don't.
You don't know better.

Anyway, then keep failing by restricting yourself. *shrugs*
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-08-19 11:27:16 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.

Nah. You just need a vaguely non-negative one.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#25 - 2013-08-19 11:31:51 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.


No you really don't need to be high sec only. As others have suggested you are just imposing limits upon yourself based on others that want corp members.

Go give stuff a go while you are new, work out what you enjoy so you don't spend the next 2 years training for a golem to l33t run the 7millionth level 4 mission.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-19 12:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.


No you really don't need to be high sec only. As others have suggested you are just imposing limits upon yourself based on others that want corp members.

Go give stuff a go while you are new, work out what you enjoy so you don't spend the next 2 years training for a golem to l33t run the 7millionth level 4 mission.



oh I do go out to low sec to do some pvp, but I do want to try and avoid cutting myself off from the trade hubs. So I tend to pve for a time to get security up a bit, then go and pvp and lose it. Then go back to pve for a time to replace it. So generally i hold my security status at about 0.0-0.8.

yeah I know if I go out to null thats not a problem but I can't really afford to waste money on cruisers and there are too many gate camps out there for my liking.

After all my problem is a lack of cash flow.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-08-19 12:09:51 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.


No you really don't need to be high sec only. As others have suggested you are just imposing limits upon yourself based on others that want corp members.

Go give stuff a go while you are new, work out what you enjoy so you don't spend the next 2 years training for a golem to l33t run the 7millionth level 4 mission.



oh I do go out to low sec to do some pvp, but I do want to try and avoid cutting myself off from the market systems. So I tend to pve for a time to get security up a bit, then go and pvp and lose it. Then go back to pve for a time to replace it. So generally i hold my security status at about 0.0-0.8.
Maybe you should first learn how things actually work.

http://wiki.eveonline.com

Negative security status doesn't cut you off from anything at all.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-08-19 12:18:23 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.


No you really don't need to be high sec only. As others have suggested you are just imposing limits upon yourself based on others that want corp members.

Go give stuff a go while you are new, work out what you enjoy so you don't spend the next 2 years training for a golem to l33t run the 7millionth level 4 mission.



oh I do go out to low sec to do some pvp, but I do want to try and avoid cutting myself off from the market systems. So I tend to pve for a time to get security up a bit, then go and pvp and lose it. Then go back to pve for a time to replace it. So generally i hold my security status at about 0.0-0.8.
Maybe you should first learn how things actually work.

http://wiki.eveonline.com

Negative security status doesn't cut you off from anything at all.


untill you hit -2.0 and which point you can't go into 1.0 security systems without the navy attacking you. And I don't want that.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-08-19 12:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'm calardi I trained for missiles only

anyway my corp is high sec, I need high security standings.


No you really don't need to be high sec only. As others have suggested you are just imposing limits upon yourself based on others that want corp members.

Go give stuff a go while you are new, work out what you enjoy so you don't spend the next 2 years training for a golem to l33t run the 7millionth level 4 mission.



oh I do go out to low sec to do some pvp, but I do want to try and avoid cutting myself off from the market systems. So I tend to pve for a time to get security up a bit, then go and pvp and lose it. Then go back to pve for a time to replace it. So generally i hold my security status at about 0.0-0.8.
Maybe you should first learn how things actually work.

http://wiki.eveonline.com

Negative security status doesn't cut you off from anything at all.


untill you hit -2.0 and which point you can't go into 1.0 security systems without the navy attacking you. And I don't want that.
I can.

They don't cut anybody off.
They are easily avoidable.


... but you know better anyway. *shrugs*
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-08-19 18:03:08 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I use Erotica 1's isk doubling service on a weekly basis. She is my main source of income, just make sure you read her rules properly.

Weekly? Her rules clearly state 3 times per customer. I sense a lieing POS in my midst.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-08-19 18:10:42 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

Per gank, you'll only lose 0.1sec, which gives you around 10 ganks before you hit -1.



I though it "cost" more sec status for destroying a ship than 0.1. Thanks for the little gem Solstice.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2013-08-20 09:11:44 UTC
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Rosa Mantis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-08-20 09:22:43 UTC
7 mil SP on main, 2mi lSP on this alt. I make 100mil+ a week just from L4 missions alone. Main runs and guns in his Mach, this toon follows in noctis quickly scooping up loot/salvage. Sometimes she also helps in higher difficulty missions in her Raven.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-08-20 09:34:08 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

Per gank, you'll only lose 0.1sec, which gives you around 10 ganks before you hit -1.



I though it "cost" more sec status for destroying a ship than 0.1. Thanks for the little gem Solstice.

It's not that easy.
In the range from 0.5 to -1sec if has cost me 0.1 per gank,
but my experience is limited to systems of 0.7 to 0.5.

I never before cared looking at the numbers. It's highly likely that you will lose more
in higher sec systems and/or when your sec gets lower and lower.

No idea if the targets sec influences this even further, but it doesn't look like it.

To me it seems that staying above -2sec gives the best ratio.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-08-20 09:40:44 UTC
Rosa Mantis wrote:
7 mil SP on main, 2mi lSP on this alt. I make 100mil+ a week just from L4 missions alone. Main runs and guns in his Mach, this toon follows in noctis quickly scooping up loot/salvage. Sometimes she also helps in higher difficulty missions in her Raven.

You can do much more than that by salvaging and looting blue'd wrecks at the drone infestation room in deltole.

Assuming you can shoot things from range in a b/c and you're solo, (as in: no competition)
you can make 5mill per wallet tick from bounties and approximately additional 20mill per hour from loot.

The last estimate was 40mill per hour, but i haven't checked loot in ages.

If it takes you a week to make 100mill, unless you enjoy the lack of a challenge,
I'd suggest moving to deltole. That place is tough.

No noctis or battleships allowed. Good thing. ^_^
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#36 - 2013-08-20 09:41:18 UTC
Isaac Collins wrote:
Weekly? Her rules clearly state 3 times per customer. I sense a lieing POS in my midst.

Maybe you should try it yourself before throwing around wild accusations and childish insults.

Oh god.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#37 - 2013-08-20 09:42:29 UTC
Isaac Collins wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I use Erotica 1's isk doubling service on a weekly basis. She is my main source of income, just make sure you read her rules properly.

Weekly? Her rules clearly state 3 times per customer. I sense a lieing POS in my midst.


Is it against the rules to cycle alts for isk doubling or is that just sec status?
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-08-20 09:43:16 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Isaac Collins wrote:
Weekly? Her rules clearly state 3 times per customer. I sense a lieing POS in my midst.

Maybe you should try it yourself before throwing around wild accusations and childish insults.

I'd rather not throw my money into a farting lie. Rules are rules, Clearly if you get a an exception to them weekly would imply rules are not quite rules which would make my investment a major risk investment at best.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#39 - 2013-08-20 10:06:02 UTC
Ah, so you haven't tried it and you don't actually know anything about it. The rules say 3 transactions per customer but that doesn't mean all 3 transactions must be made at the same time and traditionally, Erotica 1 has always allowed customers to come back and play with her again. Maybe if you did some research, you'd see there are many players like myself who use her service regularly.

Oh god.
Hinata Ren
Spectre II
#40 - 2013-08-20 10:32:16 UTC
Wang HangLao wrote:
Well, i'm struggling to make money, apart from making absolute bank using the markets, i make about 5m isk an hour dowing low sec exploration, a dozen mill a week from my planets and then a dozen more million isk a week from makets. But all together, alot of my major income is passive and i don't really know how to make money in this game.
I've never been good at combat, i got up to level 3 missions using my drake before they changed missile around and gave up on missions because i was making more doing mining ( i think that was like 12m isk an hour, i was making 2-3m isk an hour doing missions) with the change to how shields work and missiles, i've completely given up on combat.

The pros of my account
-good hauler skills (1 day off of minimatar blockade runner)
-good exploration skills
-T2 cloaking
-good drone, shield tanking, missile and caldari ship skills
-T2 frigates
-access to mining barges (lost last two barges from corps being in wars)
-PI skills


Wow, friend of mine is pushing 200m an hour doing missions with 3-4m SP in hi-sec i didnt think these kind of underpayments in eve still excisted...
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